Traction Rolling - how to solve it
Often times when you go to a big race the grip comes up more than your local track and your setup not only does not work, but you traction roll :(
here are some approaches I have used to help reduce traction rolling http://www.setupworkbench.com/fighting-traction-roll/ Cheers, Martin Crisp |
Good stuff,thanks for posting!!!:nod::nod:
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Martin posting again, do I smell a comeback??
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How about rear end lack of traction. The rear on my TA06 slides out bad on turn in and a bit coming out of corners
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Originally Posted by miller tyme
(Post 12932657)
Martin posting again, do I smell a comeback??
I do miss it. |
Originally Posted by Atechbh
(Post 12932705)
How about rear end lack of traction. The rear on my TA06 slides out bad on turn in and a bit coming out of corners
Raise the rear roll Center Add some droop to the front of your car Lower the front roll Center |
Martin, There's few things i'm surprised you didn't add to your list.
1. Increase front track width if same as rear, or increase track width front and rear if car is very narrow. 2. Reduce front camber 3. If running regular weight body try light weight Any reason these would not be good options? |
wouldn't reducing front camber aggravate traction rolling? depending on the roll center, the car would have a higher chance of rolling on the outside edge of the outside wheel on corner entry. wouldn't this have a higher chance of tucking the sidewall in and eventually flipping the car?
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Not necessarily. Remember camber is a product in which you generate the widest use of that tire and surface area contacting the surface you race on. If you are 2 deg. Front camber and are utilizing the full width of the tire in a corner that's more corner speed and higher bite. Less camber on same surface will allow the vehicle to grip a bit less and "slip" across the surface a bit more, because you are not using all of your rubber on the surface for grip. The front will push a bit more, and not allow the cars inertia to carry over that outside front tire as much.
Another thing I see as a helper in traction rolling is anti-dive. I've recently started to experiment with this. Helps greatly with augering. Thoughts? |
Originally Posted by bkspeedo
(Post 12933938)
Martin, There's few things i'm surprised you didn't add to your list.
1. Increase front track width if same as rear, or increase track width front and rear if car is very narrow. 2. Reduce front camber 3. If running regular weight body try light weight Any reason these would not be good options? As for the front track width, I would say maybe yes, maybe no. I say maybe no, because if you widen the front track width more than the rear, then the rear tends to roll more than the front, causing the front inside tire to raise up more raising the CG more...leading to traction rolling. I would suggest keeping the track width the same front and rear will lead to better results. |
Originally Posted by Boostinswifty38
(Post 12934825)
Another thing I see as a helper in traction rolling is anti-dive. I've recently started to experiment with this. Helps greatly with augering. Thoughts? |
updated the blog post
btw - I added the suggestions above to the blog post
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rear traction
Originally Posted by Atechbh
(Post 12932705)
How about rear end lack of traction. The rear on my TA06 slides out bad on turn in and a bit coming out of corners
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Originally Posted by Martin Crisp
(Post 12934981)
Reducing camber will help for sure, as will the lighter body. I was trying to focus more on perhaps the less known approaches.
As for the front track width, I would say maybe yes, maybe no. I say maybe no, because if you widen the front track width more than the rear, then the rear tends to roll more than the front, causing the front inside tire to raise up more raising the CG more...leading to traction rolling. I would suggest keeping the track width the same front and rear will lead to better results. When will we finally get to meet you on the West Coast? |
martin I have your setup workbench on my phone and it is wonderful.
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