R/C Tech Forums

Go Back   R/C Tech Forums > General Forums > Electric On-Road

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 12-06-2013, 09:29 AM   #1
Tech Master
 
mac853's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Dirty place
Posts: 1,597
Questions?? Short length shock vs Long length shock cars

Dear for anyone:

In this year, our race season is dominated by majority of TCXX and BD7, which T4 were almost totally out of A main.
For the coincident both Japanese branded cars are still using long shocks instead of short which used by T4.

Could somebody tell me if short or long shocks are the matter of performance, since our track is so bumpy with tight and small layout on low-medium grip surface?

Best regards
mac853 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-06-2013, 09:48 AM   #2
Tech Master
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Kaohsiung City, Taiwan
Posts: 1,578
Send a message via ICQ to JiuHaWong
Default

....
__________________
오늘의 청소년들이 미래의 문제를 처리 할 준비가 병 슬프게도 있습니다 우려하고있다.
JiuHaWong is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-06-2013, 10:00 AM   #3
Tech Master
 
mac853's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Dirty place
Posts: 1,597
Exclamation

Quote:
Originally Posted by JiuHaWong View Post
You sure it wasn't the driver's abilities, rather than the car?
Look, i saw a driver had put his BD7 with short shock of Xray, of course the shock tower of CSO, i remember he can't go further than medium place in A main in penultimate round and B main from last race, so therefore?

At least could anybody explain the theory and difference, please?

Best regards
mac853 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-06-2013, 10:42 AM   #4
Tech Master
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Posts: 1,665
Trader Rating: 9 (100%+)
Default

The big bore thing is still kinda new for TCs, so give it some time. It'll be the new standard soon. With the new low shock towers, you can put lower bodies on easier. Who knows, maybe TC won't be "TC" soon.

As far as the shocks go, you can use lighter wt oil in those big bores because the piston has a bigger area to push against the oil. You will also get more pack because of that. Not sure of the other effects, but it effectively lowers the CG on the car too.
__________________
ARC R10 2015 Black Ed.
Apex RC Proshop
inpuressa is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-06-2013, 10:50 AM   #5
Tech Master
 
mac853's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Dirty place
Posts: 1,597
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by inpuressa View Post
The big bore thing is still kinda new for TCs, so give it some time. It'll be the new standard soon. With the new low shock towers, you can put lower bodies on easier. Who knows, maybe TC won't be "TC" soon.

As far as the shocks go, you can use lighter wt oil in those big bores because the piston has a bigger area to push against the oil. You will also get more pack because of that. Not sure of the other effects, but it effectively lowers the CG on the car too.
If won't affect car transition, on "s" turns?
mac853 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-06-2013, 10:56 AM   #6
Tech Fanatic
 
azeroth's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Posts: 899
Trader Rating: 18 (100%+)
Default

in the nitro sedan ranks in low grip. the guys have been using the std instead of the big bores but that i think that they are used to how the work with a set oil cst change
__________________
Nitro is for Racing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
YA SMELL WATT I BE STEPPIN IN????

Serpent 977, Edam, VP, Radiopost, Savox,
azeroth is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-06-2013, 11:04 AM   #7
Tech Master
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Posts: 1,665
Trader Rating: 9 (100%+)
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by mac853 View Post
If won't affect car transition, on "s" turns?
You can make it "feel" the same as the longer shock car by using things such as the 4 hole pistons to lessen the pack. The VBC D06 also uses low profile shocks, but I have no problem with the chicanes. In fact, I really like how the car handles.

I always thought that the traditional TC shocks were too long for the amount of travel the suspension had. The trend with low profile shocks is to keep the volume the same and have effective working range, while lowering the CG.
__________________
ARC R10 2015 Black Ed.
Apex RC Proshop
inpuressa is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-06-2013, 02:53 PM   #8
Tech Master
 
mac853's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Dirty place
Posts: 1,597
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by azeroth View Post
in the nitro sedan ranks in low grip. the guys have been using the std instead of the big bores but that i think that they are used to how the work with a set oil cst change
Quote:
Originally Posted by inpuressa View Post
You can make it "feel" the same as the longer shock car by using things such as the 4 hole pistons to lessen the pack. The VBC D06 also uses low profile shocks, but I have no problem with the chicanes. In fact, I really like how the car handles.

I always thought that the traditional TC shocks were too long for the amount of travel the suspension had. The trend with low profile shocks is to keep the volume the same and have effective working range, while lowering the CG.
Lowering CG is good pro, but somebody tell me of short shocks has no advantage on running tight layout and low grip like our track.
If this is real, i am looking to convert my T4 using long shock mount in order have better handling.
Even keep the short shock but using 3 holes instead of 4 holes pistons.

Could somebody think if really worth?

Best regards
mac853 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-06-2013, 02:53 PM   #9
Tech Elite
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Posts: 4,547
Talking

Well, you can always bypass all of that, and get an A700, lowest possible CG , and no pack to worry about....lol... Long shocks or short shocks, no big difference ! Just more money thrown at a problem the A700 solved already....
bertrandsv87 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-06-2013, 02:58 PM   #10
Tech Master
 
mac853's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Dirty place
Posts: 1,597
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by bertrandsv87 View Post
Well, you can always bypass all of that, and get an A700, lowest possible CG , and no pack to worry about....lol... Long shocks or short shocks, no big difference ! Just more money thrown at a problem the A700 solved already....
What a good idea buy a pricey car to solve problem?
Sounds interesting!
mac853 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-06-2013, 03:01 PM   #11
Tech Elite
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Posts: 4,547
Smile

It's the only Car that categorically solves the problem, instead of endlessly going around it, while draining your wallet !!!! Just sayin.....
bertrandsv87 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-06-2013, 03:14 PM   #12
Tech Regular
 
Join Date: Jun 2013
Posts: 264
Default

I wouldnt want an awesomatix whilst its a great design, i wouldnt want to have to change spur gears in a hurry or mess around with whatever the hell those shocks are
PurcyP is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-06-2013, 03:17 PM   #13
Tech Champion
 
ThePanda's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2013
Location: Michigan
Posts: 6,446
Trader Rating: 56 (100%+)
Default

besides lowering the center of gravity, i don't see any advantage. About the pack thing too- the same ability to use lighter oil works just the same with the smaller bore shocks, just use smaller hole pistons, or drill your own. the awesomatix is "awesome" but i think it takes a very good driver to be good with it. Put a ta06 into the hands of a good driver, and give the awesomatix to a beginner, and it suddenly won't do so good.
__________________
Anyone who loves RC is a friend of mine.
ThePanda is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-06-2013, 03:18 PM   #14
Tech Elite
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Posts: 4,547
Default

Come on Purcy, don't Rc hate ! Russians innovate !!!
bertrandsv87 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-06-2013, 03:23 PM   #15
Tech Champion
 
ThePanda's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2013
Location: Michigan
Posts: 6,446
Trader Rating: 56 (100%+)
Default

i like the design of the awesomatx. Would i want to own one? no, but just to tinker with one for a while would be really cool.
__________________
Anyone who loves RC is a friend of mine.
ThePanda is offline   Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts
BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are Off


All times are GMT -8. It is currently 04:08 PM.



SEO by vBSEO 3.5.0