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Old 12-06-2013, 12:11 PM   #781
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Hi guys,

I'm considering buying this kit. I haven't raced onroad in 5 or 6 years, but I have a couple of tracks real close to me, and it would be nice to have something to race during the winter.

Does the T4'14 require any upgrades out the box. I'm thinking outdrives, chassis brace, cvd's, etc. I might aswell build it right the first time

Its only gonna be used for some stock class club racing, nothing major. It's all about having something fun to do on sundays
I would highly recommend the front bumper brace.

I did not put it on my 13 and never had a problem, so I didnt think about it for the 14 (even though it had been recommended to me by multiple people)

With 7 laps on my 14 from brand new, I took a radio hit and hit the wall head on at the end of the straight. Snapped the front of the chassis off clean just in front of the front hinge pin mount. I was able to get creative and found another way to attach the front bumper and front body posts and was able to finish the weekend, but not looking at buying a new chassis
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Old 12-06-2013, 12:53 PM   #782
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I would highly recommend the front bumper brace.

I did not put it on my 13 and never had a problem, so I didnt think about it for the 14 (even though it had been recommended to me by multiple people)

With 7 laps on my 14 from brand new, I took a radio hit and hit the wall head on at the end of the straight. Snapped the front of the chassis off clean just in front of the front hinge pin mount. I was able to get creative and found another way to attach the front bumper and front body posts and was able to finish the weekend, but not looking at buying a new chassis
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Old 12-06-2013, 12:59 PM   #783
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I would highly recommend the front bumper brace.
Any chance you could provide me with the part number or a link to the part?
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part # is 301215 on the brace. You'll have to look around see who has one in stock.
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Old 12-06-2013, 01:42 PM   #785
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For more incorner steering, you can use a short rear link. Also I don't like the car with 1mm shims or less on the rear bulkhead. I prefer 1.5mm-2.0mm depending on the track/tires. Going lower than 1.5mm makes the car very aggressive and it feels like the rear is loose. It's okay to run this in stock classes, but in modified it takes too much stability away imo. You should try that and see if you like that better
Interesting. The car actually rotates pretty quickly in the tight corners. It's just sluggish in the transitions (mostly that little sequece onto the straight). I'll try raising the rear link a bit after I try a few of the other basics (shocks/diff/droop).

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Unless your track is very high grip I would go back to the shorter upper roll centre.

Lay the front shocks down to second hole from the inside.
Add the 2mm shim at the top of the front shocks.

These changes aim to get the car feeling consistent.

Then to get the car to finish the corner better;
Rear diff to 2k possibly 3k depending on your driving style
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Thanks. Normally our grip comes up quite a bit for the mains. The Mi5's are normally flipping over. That's why I think maybe my tires were bushed, or just under-sauced (I took it easy on the sauce for the main).

Links: With the '13 I preferred middle links. Last time I ran short links, the car was just waaaay too hyperactive on corner entry. But that might have been with the stiffer springs. I'll definitely try the short ones again.

Front Shock Angle: I'll try that a bit later. With the 2.5's, I think laying the front shock down a hole will just destroy the turn-in response.

Front Shock Shim: Yeah, I should probably do that. :/

Rear Diff: Top of my list. The diff feels quite a bit freer than the rear diff in my '13 that has AE 2K or 3K in it.

Rear Bar: I've seen a lot of setups with that lately. I don't have any bars, though, unfortunately. Perhaps I'll grab some 1.3mm music wire from the hobby shop. I think standing up the rear shock one hole, or maybe going to a 2.5-2.8 would help. It's not horrible right now, though, so I'm going to just start with the diff.


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I don't know what front anti dive will do or the theory on it - I have always run hinge pins level front and rear on the T4.
It keeps the front end from diving so much. Every time I've run the 2.5 front spings in mod (or the 2.7 on the '13), the front end of the car completely washes out under braking (coming off the sweeper mostly). The anti-dive seems to have helped that and made the car more precise on turn-in. I'm going to keep it for now, but will revisit it when I start messing with springs again.

Although with the anti-dive, I've given up some caster and added even more bump-out on compression. I wish I had some 6* caster blocks to try.

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When is Snowy going to release the official wreckage photos? I heard TMZ is putting bids in already.

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Old 12-06-2013, 04:17 PM   #787
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When is Snowy going to release the official wreckage photos? I heard TMZ is putting bids in already.
TMZ, that is rich.

Here is the one photo that I have. Sadly I did not get a bottom shot. I got busy, and did not get back to it. Sorry, I failed! Jonesy is gonna post a few photos later. It is truly a Macgyver fix.



There are a few ways to prevent this. Use the T3 bumper; #301322 and #301223 Hard. This is higher then the T4 bumpers and braces directly to the bulkheads. Or use the brace already talked about above.

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Old 12-06-2013, 05:06 PM   #789
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Man that's unlucky ,
I had my front end delaminate I didn't even hit anything , just clipped a few domes,pulled the countersunk screws thru the chassis
I wasn't impressed
The $7 chassis brace should be included in the kit,
I was able to save my chassis with ca glue ,I am running same chassis still no probs but get the brace ,
While u wait for one you can make one out of 4mm cf sheet of Perspex ,all you need is longer screws 12mm
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First one.... Posting from phone, bear with me.
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Old 12-06-2013, 06:26 PM   #792
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part # is 301215 on the brace. You'll have to look around see who has one in stock.
I looked around out of stock anyone know who has them? Seems like a lot of things are out ecs too
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I looked around out of stock anyone know who has them? Seems like a lot of things are out ecs too
You could order the original from Diggity Designs.
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You could order the original from Diggity Designs.
Cool thanks for the help
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[QUOTE=chasingthepack;12789366][QUOTE=Skiddins;12788544]The white car from the front of this video was running Hagbergs Sorex setup with the exception of 400 front oil and 450 rear;
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are you sure? is that not olli with the tc6.2?
didn't know associated have changed their colour to orange.....
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