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Old 10-24-2013, 01:52 PM   #46
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VBC Racing is happy to announce that pre orders are now being excepted for the new VBC Lightning 1/12th car! Cars will be shipping as early as late next week! The price will be under $200!

The Lightning 12 made it debut at the 2013 IIC race in Las Vegas with a couple strong finishes. VBC drive Max Keunning finishing 3rd place in modified 1/12th and 5th place in 13.5 1/12th.

Don't get left out on the first run of cars. Pre order with your local hobby shop or at www APS-Racing . com VBC Racings north America's importer.
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Cars should be here anytime now. All the pre-ordered guys will be ship as soon as we get the cars with free shipping and the VBC t-shirt.
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VBC or AE? Damn decisions
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To be honest. If you had seen the VBC in person. VBC for sure. Not just because I am selling it but the quality is miles ahead of the AE....... The CNC job, carbon and plastic parts, really top class.
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Come down to TZ Saturday and see Ehrlich's in person. Top notch quality
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I'm in Mt. Vernon this Saturday at NORA's debut. I've asked Kody to put in a pre-order for me.
When are spares gonna be available?
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I'm in Mt. Vernon this Saturday at NORA's debut. I've asked Kody to put in a pre-order for me.
When are spares gonna be available?
Timezone hobbies will have spares. You might talk Kody into bring some in also. When I'm up there I'll have spares also.
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The tuning options on the front end of the Lightning 12 are far superior to the AE. Laser cut carbon shims for shimming lower arm width, upper arm length, and ride height. A lot easier and more precise. Having the option to run the side springs inboard on the pod or outboard on the link is another great tuning option especially if you run modified and spec classes. The rear pods being supported by a 5mm carbon brace across the back protects it from side hits and prevents motor plates from bending. I took some hard hits in vegas and I didn't break/bend anything on the car.The price isnt too bad either!

I will post my setups if anyone is interested
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The tuning options on the front end of the Lightning 12 are far superior to the AE. Laser cut carbon shims for shimming lower arm width, upper arm length, and ride height. A lot easier and more precise. Having the option to run the side springs inboard on the pod or outboard on the link is another great tuning option especially if you run modified and spec classes. The rear pods being supported by a 5mm carbon brace across the back protects it from side hits and prevents motor plates from bending. I took some hard hits in vegas and I didn't break/bend anything on the car.The price isnt too bad either!

I will post my setups if anyone is interested
Please post the setups, I would really like to see them!

Would you or someone be willing to spend some time discussing why to use the inboard or outboard side springs and how they can be used as a tuning aid for particular driving styles?

There is some limited information out there - Front caster is adjustable or fixed?

Does the manual have tuning details on what different settings do for this car?
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We got in the first round and have 10 kits in our first order will update as soon as we get them in
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Got mine pre-ordered You have spares coming too Mark or is that later on?
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Please post the setups, I would really like to see them!

Would you or someone be willing to spend some time discussing why to use the inboard or outboard side springs and how they can be used as a tuning aid for particular driving styles?

There is some limited information out there - Front caster is adjustable or fixed?

Does the manual have tuning details on what different settings do for this car?

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5 degree caster block setting
thick shim back, thin shim forward
6 degree caster (measured with the Slapmaster caster gauge)
no brace
stock length upper arm
stock lower arm width
AE .20 front spring
High position on shock mount
2mm shim under rear shock
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5 degree caster block setting
Thick shim forward, thin back
4 degree caster (measured with the Slapmaster caster gauge)
no brace
1.5mm upper arm spacer
standard lower arm width
AE .20 front spring
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Side spring location has been something me and Ehrlich have been doing a lot of testing for. When the side spring is moved to a more inboard location (on the Pod closer to the center pivot) it requires a stiffer spring. Since you are moving the leverage point inboard it takes more force to stop the pod from pivoting. This is better for spec since you need more steering and a more "twitchy" feeling car. When you move the springs outboard (on top of the link further away from the center pivot) the force required to stop the pod is less. Therefore you can run a softer spring making the car slower off center and easier to drive. Ehrlich and I both prefer this for Modified. It calms the car down just enough. For tuning aids for different types of driving styles I'm not sure how this will help. I think that outboard springs are defiantly the best for Mod since the calm the car down and make it smoother. If you want your car to steer and be aggressive enough for spec racing I would lean you towards running inboard springs. But thats just my personal preference.

Front caster is adjustable just like the Associated front end. One hole in the rear of the caster block allows the block to pivot to 3 different caster locations, 0, 5, and 10 degree. Then you also have the upper arm shims to finely tune the caster.

Im not sure about the manual having tuning aids. You can just ask on here and any of the VBC factory drivers would be happy to answer your questions!
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Cars are starting to ship! Who's ordered one?
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