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Old 12-02-2013, 04:51 PM   #226
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I run the top car, I wanted to see how the vbc drove, in stock it was just super easy to drive , very predictable.. Lots of corner speed, overall I was impressed. Tires let out in the main but still got the W
Locally the car of the masses is the Top. Then again we have Larry F and Mike H running locally and they some fast Top dudes. I almost bought an associated but really liked the Flash so i figured i would try the VBC. I'm really looking forward to starting my build on friday.
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Depends on the class you are running. I personally will pretty much always run an AMR, but a lot of guys will use the BA Audi r8 for stock. I think the AMR is pretty much the only choice for mod, though, unless you run on really low traction and want to use the TR.

Sorry guys but as a newbie could someone please translate..

I run on a med traction tight Asphalt track and was wondering what u would suggest.

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Old 12-03-2013, 01:12 AM   #228
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Hey,
got mine last week and start building yesterday. Car is really nice to build, but got some problems with the lower suspension arms.
Main problem, when i measure from the top of the lower suspension arm on the left side to the ground, it is about 14mm, but if i measure on the right side it's only 12,5mm.
I think the problem appears because they're using one lower arm for both sides?!

Anyone got the same problem?

Thanks
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Old 12-03-2013, 05:51 AM   #229
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You shouldn't be oil-less.
I've built 2 of these shocks with the dimple drilled out. 1 with 3 hole piston and the other with the 2-hole. When you fill the shock, you may have oil sitting atop the last white plastic 'hat' piece. Remove all of it. That's what you see coming out of the thru hole. I've had no leakage after I've figured that out. Also I like the idea of soaking those orings as long as you can before assembling then coating the top one heavily with green slime ( as Korey Harbke suggested).
Yeah, o-rings were soaked for a day, didn't use green slime but I'll pick some up.

I rebuilt the shock again last night (I'm really not willing to give up on this thing yet and go with the AE shock).

Same procedure as before, but I did as you suggested, removing all the oil from the top of the "hat" as you call it. That worked pretty well. I also enlarged and tapped the dimple hole (that sounds dirty) and dropped in a small set screw (like they use on CVD's) to seal it up. Smooth as silk and no seepage...I think we have a winner.
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Yeah, o-rings were soaked for a day, didn't use green slime but I'll pick some up.

I rebuilt the shock again last night (I'm really not willing to give up on this thing yet and go with the AE shock).

Same procedure as before, but I did as you suggested, removing all the oil from the top of the "hat" as you call it. That worked pretty well. I also enlarged and tapped the dimple hole (that sounds dirty) and dropped in a small set screw (like they use on CVD's) to seal it up. Smooth as silk and no seepage...I think we have a winner.
Cool.
While watching the blowout that our Seahawks put on the Saints, I've rebuilt both vbc shocks (2/3-hole pistons) like 4 times with different shock oils and to be truthful, this shock builds up REALLY nice. Maybe a tic below the AE (I really like that shock) but my HB from over 3 years ago is still tops. It still feels like fresh churned butta! Lol...seriously
But this VBC shock builds up and feels really, really good. Good idea on the set screw.
Glad to have helped
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Sorry guys but as a newbie could someone please translate..

I run on a med traction tight Asphalt track and was wondering what u would suggest.

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Sorry!

AMR = Protoform AMR-12 = http://racepf.com/on-road-1-10-1-12/...ht-clear-body/

TR = Protoform TR-12 = http://racepf.com/on-road-1-10-1-12/...ht-clear-body/

BA audi r8 = Black Art Audi R8 = http://www.teamcrc.com/crc/modules.p...prodID=7719024

The AMR is (in my opinion) the best all-around choice for all classes, and pretty much the only choice for mod 12th. The TR is a higher downforce body than the AMR, so it will be better in lower traction (so perhaps a good choice if you run on low traction asphalt.) The TR has less steering than the AMR though, so most people have kept using the AMR to retain steering. The BA audi r8 has less downforce than even the AMR, so it is a slightly more aggressive feeling body that is good for stock (and super-stock.) If you look in the a mains for stock at any big race you will see a lot of BA r8 bodies, but everything else is pretty much dominated by AMR.
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Hey,
got mine last week and start building yesterday. Car is really nice to build, but got some problems with the lower suspension arms.
Main problem, when i measure from the top of the lower suspension arm on the left side to the ground, it is about 14mm, but if i measure on the right side it's only 12,5mm.
I think the problem appears because they're using one lower arm for both sides?!

Anyone got the same problem?

Thanks
Yes .. Known issue - replace with AE lower arms and pivot balls.
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Hey,
got mine last week and start building yesterday. Car is really nice to build, but got some problems with the lower suspension arms.
Main problem, when i measure from the top of the lower suspension arm on the left side to the ground, it is about 14mm, but if i measure on the right side it's only 12,5mm.
I think the problem appears because they're using one lower arm for both sides?!

Anyone got the same problem?

Thanks
I see that Joey already responded to you and recommended using AE lower arms, which I would also recommend. Please be sure to use the v2 lower arms from AE, and you will also need the AE lower pivot balls.

At the same time, please send an email to anniey@aps-racing.net describing what you are seeing and she will help you get replacement parts. You can also try sanding down the VBC arms, but it is likely easier to just use AE for now and talk to Annie about getting replacements.
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Old 12-03-2013, 07:04 AM   #234
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Hey,
thanks a lot for the fast helping. I think it's not the right angle, because i switched both lower arms a few times and got the same result .
I will order some V2 arms and pivotballs, but main problem is they're actually sold out in Germany , so i try to get them suitable.

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My partially assembled car has the very same issue. When the chassis plate with complete front end fitted is placed on a setup board, the measurement from the bottom of the right front axle to the board's surface is 16.1mm. Amazingly the left side measures just 14.5 mm. That is a pretty huge difference. Even with the naked eye, it is easy enough to see that the left lower arm is pointing down slightly, while the right arm points slightly up. Obviously this much imbalance will spoil the handling. I'm hopeful that VBC will make arrangements to hustle corrected front arms to those early adopter customers who's kits came with such mismatched front lower arms.

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Hey,
got mine last week and start building yesterday. Car is really nice to build, but got some problems with the lower suspension arms.
Main problem, when i measure from the top of the lower suspension arm on the left side to the ground, it is about 14mm, but if i measure on the right side it's only 12,5mm.
I think the problem appears because they're using one lower arm for both sides?!

Anyone got the same problem?

Thanks
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Are the dots on both arms facing upwards??
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The dots are both up on mine, and same thing, about 1.5 mm difference,with left side lower.
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That makes for setting droop and ride height impossible.
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When I ordered my Lightning, I also ordered a spare pair of lower arms (a-02-vbc-5067). I just removed the ones that came with the kit and replaced them with the new replacement spares. Thankfully now the front axle heights measure exactly the same on both sides, just as it should be. So apparently not all of the front arms are bad. Since a couple of us on the thread have experienced this issue, the side to side front axle height is something to be sure and check as you are building the car.....to make sure that you've got a good matching pair of front lower arms fitted.
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Nice, that's great to hear.
Besides the missing rollover antenna hole, the upper turnbuckles, and the lower arm issue....the car isn't bad at all. I actually enjoy it and feel I'm gonna be competitive with it this season
I'm just waiting on the WGT.....
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