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Old 08-01-2014, 03:59 PM   #136
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After a little advice I have a 17.5 and run it in my T4-14 I mainly run at Stafford and will be at the next Bedworth meeting. I run it at 2.9 and the motor come off quite hot temp could not say as do not have a temp gun.

The advice that I am looking for is a good gearing and what adjustment I need to do on the end bell trimming

I run it with a V3.1 stock speck speedo in blindly and again not altered any settings in the speedo. Is there also a site to get or see other racers set ups

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If you mean your running an FDR of 2.9. that seems quite excessive and will generate heat no doubt.

1. You need to buy or borrow a temp gun.

2. On a carpet track that is around 100 x 50 ft. - I would consider an FDR of 3.8 with about 40 degrees of timing. I have used up to 50 degrees of timing if the motor temperature allows.

3. Temp the motor every two minutes to see if you can push it further and adjust from there. I have not pushed it beyond 160F degrees myself.
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Old 08-02-2014, 02:08 AM   #137
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Thanks for your reply how about n a Tarmac track
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will hobbywing v10 13.5 motor run with muchmore fleta pro esc? any experience?
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After a little advice I have a 17.5 and run it in my T4-14 I mainly run at Stafford and will be at the next Bedworth meeting. I run it at 2.9 and the motor come off quite hot temp could not say as do not have a temp gun.

The advice that I am looking for is a good gearing and what adjustment I need to do on the end bell trimming

I run it with a V3.1 stock speck speedo in blindly and again not altered any settings in the speedo. Is there also a site to get or see other racers set ups

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I would start on about 3.3, I don't think the hobbywing likes to much timing as I have seen a few blow up from high timing, I would start as standard and time up slowly while monitoring motor temps
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anyone?
Provided someone ahead of me posts his/her experience, I should have mine up and running hopefully by next week.
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I'm considering getting a Xerun V10 7.5 or 8.5t motor for a 2wd sct with a HW extreme stock esc. Which motor would you recommend ?
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I'm considering getting a Xerun V10 7.5 or 8.5t motor for a 2wd sct with a HW extreme stock esc. Which motor would you recommend ?
8.5 for the 2wd and 7.5 or 6.5 for 4wd.
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8.5 for the 2wd and 7.5 or 6.5 for 4wd.
Thanks cobra. The 8.5t motor is listed as a 4165kv. Do you know if this was with 20 degrees of end bell motor timing?
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Thanks cobra. The 8.5t motor is listed as a 4165kv. Do you know if this was with 20 degrees of end bell motor timing?
About 22 degree and if anyone tells you their motors start from zero take off the back plate and measure the angle of the hall sensors.
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About 22 degree and if anyone tells you their motors start from zero take off the back plate and measure the angle of the hall sensors.
Could you explain how to do this please, measuring the angle with relation to what fixed item?
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Ran my new V10 17.5T in my T4 14 on carpet today. It came off the track a little hotter than I would like to. 190F (87C) after 6 min. when read from the hobbywing V3.1 program box. When measured with a temp gun from outside, it read around 170F (77C).

The track is with a 65ft long straight, and then with many high speed turns, and a few tight corners. So you are on full throttle a lot of the time.

My basic settings on the esc is 50% boost, and 10%timing. My endball timing was around 32.5deg, but I turned it down to 30deg, to see if I could get the temp down. But it didn't do much. My final drive was 7.47.

I compared with my Novac Vulcano, with 100% same settings on the esc, and final drive, and this was about 30F lower temps.

Any surgestions where to look at first, to get a more acceptebel temp ?
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Ran my new V10 17.5T in my T4 14 on carpet today. It came off the track a little hotter than I would like to. 190F (87C) after 6 min. when read from the hobbywing V3.1 program box. When measured with a temp gun from outside, it read around 170F (77C).

The track is with a 65ft long straight, and then with many high speed turns, and a few tight corners. So you are on full throttle a lot of the time.

My basic settings on the esc is 50% boost, and 10%timing. My endball timing was around 32.5deg, but I turned it down to 30deg, to see if I could get the temp down. But it didn't do much. My final drive was 7.47.

I compared with my Novac Vulcano, with 100% same settings on the esc, and final drive, and this was about 30F lower temps.

Any surgestions where to look at first, to get a more acceptebel temp ?
What was your gearing? Can you provide all of your ESC settings? Did your radios throttle EPA?
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What was your gearing? Can you provide all of your ESC settings? Did your radios throttle EPA?
My gearing is 7.47 (112/30)64Pitch.

My complete esc setup is here below. Hope that helps.

****************************************Device Information*************************************** *
Device Type:CAR_ESC
Hardware Version:HOBBYWING_456_V2
Software Version:V3.1_121129_Beta

*********************************************Setti ngs**********************************************
[Mode:]
Profile7

[Name:]
Stock 17.5T

[Running Mode]
Forward Only with Brake(*)(+) Forward/Reverse with Brake Forward/Reverse Direct

[Reverse Speed]
25%(*)(+) 50% 75%
100%

[Voltage Cutoff]
Disable Auto(*) 3.0V
3.1V 3.2V(+) 3.3V
3.4V 3.5V 3.6V
3.7V 3.8V 3.9V
4.0V 4.1V 4.2V
4.3V 4.4V 4.5V
4.6V 4.7V 4.8V
4.9V 5.0V 5.1V
5.2V 5.3V 5.4V
5.5V 5.6V 5.7V
5.8V 5.9V 6.0V
6.1V 6.2V 6.3V
6.4V 6.5V 6.6V
6.7V 6.8V 6.9V
7.0V 7.1V 7.2V
7.3V 7.4V 7.5V
7.6V 7.7V 7.8V
7.9V 8.0V 8.1V
8.2V 8.3V 8.4V
8.5V 8.6V 8.7V
8.8V 8.9V 9.0V
9.0V 9.1V 9.2V
9.3V 9.4V 9.5V
9.6V 9.7V 9.8V
9.9V 10.0V 10.1V
10.2V 10.3V 10.4V
10.5V 10.6V 10.7V
10.8V 10.9V 11.0V
11.1V

[ESC Overheat Protection]
85 degree Celsius 105 degree Celsius(*)(+) 125 degree Celsius
Disable

[Motor Overheat Protection]
85 degree Celsius(+) 105 degree Celsius(*) 125 degree Celsius
Disable

[Punch Rate Switch Point]
1% 2% 3%
4% 5% 6%
7% 8% 9%
10% 11% 12%
13% 14% 15%
16% 17% 18%
19% 20% 21%
22% 23% 24%
25% 26% 27%
28% 29% 30%
31% 32% 33%
34% 35% 36%
37% 38% 39%
40% 41% 42%
43% 44% 45%
46% 47% 48%
49% 50%(+) 51%(*)
52% 53% 54%
55% 56% 57%
58% 59% 60%
61% 62% 63%
64% 65% 66%
67% 68% 69%
70% 71% 72%
73% 74% 75%
76% 77% 78%
79% 80% 81%
82% 83% 84%
85% 86% 87%
88% 89% 90%
91% 92% 93%
94% 95% 96%
97% 98% 99%

[1st Stage Punch Rate]
Min:1,0
Max:30,0
Val:30,0

[2nd Stage Punch Rate]
Min:1,0
Max:30,0
Val:30,0

[TH Input Curve]
Linear(*)(+) Custom

[Neutral Range]
4%(Narrow) 6%(Normal)(*) 8%(Wide)(+)

[Drag Brake]
0%(*)(+) 1% 2%
3% 4% 5%
6% 7% 8%
9% 10% 11%
12% 13% 14%
15% 16% 17%
18% 19% 20%
21% 22% 23%
24% 25% 26%
27% 28% 29%
30% 31% 32%
33% 34% 35%
36% 37% 38%
39% 40% 41%
42% 43% 44%
45% 46% 47%
48% 49% 50%
51% 52% 53%
54% 55% 56%
57% 58% 59%
60% 61% 62%
63% 64% 65%
66% 67% 68%
69% 70% 71%
72% 73% 74%
75% 76% 77%
78% 79% 80%
81% 82% 83%
84% 85% 86%
87% 88% 89%
90% 91% 92%
93% 94% 95%
96% 97% 98%
99% 100%

[Brake Strength]
0% 12.5% 25%
37.5% 50% 62.5%(*)(+)
75% 87.5% 100%

[Initial Brake]
=Drag Brake(*)(+) 0% 20%
30% 40%

[Brake Rate Switch Point]
1% 2% 3%
4% 5% 6%
7% 8% 9%
10% 11% 12%
13% 14% 15%
16% 17% 18%
19% 20% 21%
22% 23% 24%
25% 26% 27%
28% 29% 30%
31% 32% 33%
34% 35% 36%
37% 38% 39%
40% 41% 42%
43% 44% 45%
46% 47% 48%
49% 50%(+) 51%(*)
52% 53% 54%
55% 56% 57%
58% 59% 60%
61% 62% 63%
64% 65% 66%
67% 68% 69%
70% 71% 72%
73% 74% 75%
76% 77% 78%
79% 80% 81%
82% 83% 84%
85% 86% 87%
88% 89% 90%
91% 92% 93%
94% 95% 96%
97% 98% 99%

[1st Stage Brake Rate]
Min:1,0
Max:20,0
Val:20,0

[2nd Stage Brake Rate]
Min:1,0
Max:20,0
Val:10,0

[Brake Input Curve]
Linear(*)(+) Custom

[Boost Timing]
0deg 1deg 2deg
3deg 4deg 5deg
6deg 7deg 8deg
9deg 10deg 11deg
12deg 13deg 14deg
15deg 16deg 17deg
18deg 19deg 20deg
21deg 22deg 23deg
24deg 25deg 26deg
27deg 28deg 29deg
30deg 31deg 32deg
33deg 34deg 35deg
36deg(*) 37deg 38deg
39deg 40deg 41deg
42deg 43deg 44deg
45deg 46deg 47deg
48deg 49deg 50deg(+)
51deg 52deg 53deg
54deg 55deg 56deg
57deg 58deg 59deg
60deg 61deg 62deg
63deg 64deg

[Boost Start RPM]
1000rpm 1500rpm 2000rpm(*)
2500rpm 3000rpm 3500rpm(+)
4000rpm 4500rpm 5000rpm
5500rpm 6000rpm 6500rpm
7000rpm 7500rpm 8000rpm
8500rpm 9000rpm 9500rpm
10000rpm 10500rpm 11000rpm
11500rpm 12000rpm 12500rpm
13000rpm 13500rpm 14000rpm
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16000rpm 16500rpm 17000rpm
17500rpm 18000rpm 18500rpm
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28000rpm 28500rpm 29000rpm
29500rpm 30000rpm 30500rpm
31000rpm 31500rpm 32000rpm
32500rpm 33000rpm 33500rpm
34000rpm 34500rpm 35000rpm

[Boost End RPM]
3000rpm 3500rpm 4000rpm
4500rpm 5000rpm 5500rpm
6000rpm 6500rpm 7000rpm
7500rpm 8000rpm 8500rpm
9000rpm 9500rpm 10000rpm
10500rpm 11000rpm 11500rpm
12000rpm(*) 12500rpm 13000rpm
13500rpm(+) 14000rpm 14500rpm
15000rpm 15500rpm 16000rpm
16500rpm 17000rpm 17500rpm
18000rpm 18500rpm 19000rpm
19500rpm 20000rpm 20500rpm
21000rpm 21500rpm 22000rpm
22500rpm 23000rpm 23500rpm
24000rpm 24500rpm 25000rpm
25500rpm 26000rpm 26500rpm
27000rpm 27500rpm 28000rpm
28500rpm 29000rpm 29500rpm
30000rpm 30500rpm 31000rpm
31500rpm 32000rpm 32500rpm
33000rpm 33500rpm 34000rpm
34500rpm 35000rpm 35500rpm
36000rpm 36500rpm 37000rpm
37500rpm 38000rpm 38500rpm
39000rpm 39500rpm 40000rpm
40500rpm 41000rpm 41500rpm
42000rpm 42500rpm 43000rpm
43500rpm 44000rpm 44500rpm
45000rpm 45500rpm 46000rpm
46500rpm 47000rpm 47500rpm
48000rpm 48500rpm 49000rpm
49500rpm 50000rpm 50500rpm
51000rpm 51500rpm 52000rpm
52500rpm 53000rpm 53500rpm
54000rpm 54500rpm 55000rpm
55500rpm 56000rpm 56500rpm
57000rpm 57500rpm 58000rpm
58500rpm 59000rpm 59500rpm
60000rpm

[Boost Slope]
Linear(*)(+) Custom

[Boost Controlled by TH]
Yes(+) No(*)

[Turbo Timing]
0deg 1deg 2deg
3deg 4deg 5deg
6deg 7deg 8deg
9deg 10deg(+) 11deg
12deg 13deg 14deg
15deg 16deg 17deg
18deg 19deg 20deg
21deg 22deg 23deg
24deg 25deg 26deg
27deg 28deg(*) 29deg
30deg 31deg 32deg
33deg 34deg 35deg
36deg 37deg 38deg
39deg 40deg 41deg
42deg 43deg 44deg
45deg 46deg 47deg
48deg 49deg 50deg
51deg 52deg 53deg
54deg 55deg 56deg
57deg 58deg 59deg
60deg 61deg 62deg
63deg 64deg

[Turbo Activation Method]
Full TH(*) RPM Full TH+RPM(+)

[Turbo Full TH Delay]
Instant(+) 0.05S 0.1S
0.15S 0.2S(*) 0.25S
0.3S 0.35S 0.4S
0.45S 0.5S 0.6S
0.7S 0.8S 0.9S
1.0S

[Turbo Start RPM]
8000rpm 9000rpm 10000rpm
11000rpm 12000rpm 13000rpm(+)
14000rpm 15000rpm 16000rpm
17000rpm 18000rpm 19000rpm
20000rpm(*) 21000rpm 22000rpm
23000rpm 24000rpm 25000rpm
26000rpm 27000rpm 28000rpm
29000rpm 30000rpm 31000rpm
32000rpm 33000rpm 34000rpm
35000rpm 36000rpm 37000rpm
38000rpm 39000rpm 40000rpm
41000rpm 42000rpm 43000rpm
44000rpm 45000rpm 46000rpm
47000rpm 48000rpm 49000rpm
50000rpm

[Turbo Engage slope]
3deg/0.1S 6deg/0.1S 9deg/0.1S
12deg/0.1S 15deg/0.1S 18deg/0.1S(+)
21deg/0.1S 24deg/0.1S(*) 27deg/0.1S
30deg/0.1S Instant

[Turbo Disengage slope]
6deg/0.1S 12deg/0.1S 18deg/0.1S(*)(+)
24deg/0.1S 30deg/0.1S Instant
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Hi All. Could I please get an indication of a good starting point for gearing and timing for 17.5 and 13.5 boosted on a medium sized outdoor track in a TC. Also are these motors focused more on torque or rpm? How do they handle heat? Thanks.
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Hi, would like to know what EPA settings do you have on the radio while doing the speedo settings for neutral forward and brake points, do you go for 100% both forward and brake or 140% forward and 160% brake

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