Trinity kill shot motors
#423
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Your talking about the killshot timing plate not being able to move easy right? Another big flaw. You have to take the whole timing endbell assembly apart. I had to grind down the metal ring backing because it binded when fully assembled. Also the the ring within the ring I had to sand down those edges as well. Big fun when purchasing a new motor. Sorry about the R1 motors being out of stock. Steve has his hands full at the moment and I know he is replenishing those as we speak.
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#426
Tech Fanatic
No problem with the timing ring on any of my timing KS rings, very easy to adjust.
#427
Tech Fanatic
Max timing on a KILL SHOT?
Many people on this thread , including myself, have said not to go beyond 55 to 60 degrees of timing on the Kill Shot motors. I was playing with my dyno this afternoon and now I'm not sure that is valid advise. First, I have two 21.5 RPM stator KSs, one with the 12.5mm RPM rotor and one with the 12.5mm turquoise Torque rotor. On both, I've tested the motors up to 70 degrees of timing before the amp draw starts to go crazy. Between 60 and 70 degrees the amp draw is very consistent with other 21.5 motors at much less timing, but the performance is very good. I'm going to take a few teeth off the pinion to account for the higher RPM, then make a few test runs and check the motor temps. I anticipate these will come off the track at about the same temps as other motors with the same amp draws. I'll let you know.
#428
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I recently purchased a Killshot 21.5R for my TC6.1 for the upcoming carpet racing season.
Running a MMP for an ESC and altho we need to run "blinky" mode for the VTA class I'm running, I'd like to play around with the timing to see how she'll run. Mech timing vs static (ESC) timing, is there a lot of difference?
The MMP has "cheat" mode with adjustable timing which is what I'd like to use, can I get the same effect with this as mech timing?
Running a MMP for an ESC and altho we need to run "blinky" mode for the VTA class I'm running, I'd like to play around with the timing to see how she'll run. Mech timing vs static (ESC) timing, is there a lot of difference?
The MMP has "cheat" mode with adjustable timing which is what I'd like to use, can I get the same effect with this as mech timing?
#429
Your talking about the killshot timing plate not being able to move easy right? Another big flaw. You have to take the whole timing endbell assembly apart. I had to grind down the metal ring backing because it binded when fully assembled. Also the the ring within the ring I had to sand down those edges as well. Big fun when purchasing a new motor. Sorry about the R1 motors being out of stock. Steve has his hands full at the moment and I know he is replenishing those as we speak.
#430
Tech Fanatic
I recently purchased a Killshot 21.5R for my TC6.1 for the upcoming carpet racing season.
Running a MMP for an ESC and altho we need to run "blinky" mode for the VTA class I'm running, I'd like to play around with the timing to see how she'll run. Mech timing vs static (ESC) timing, is there a lot of difference?
The MMP has "cheat" mode with adjustable timing which is what I'd like to use, can I get the same effect with this as mech timing?
Running a MMP for an ESC and altho we need to run "blinky" mode for the VTA class I'm running, I'd like to play around with the timing to see how she'll run. Mech timing vs static (ESC) timing, is there a lot of difference?
The MMP has "cheat" mode with adjustable timing which is what I'd like to use, can I get the same effect with this as mech timing?
There is a big difference between static and dynamic timing. Dynamic timing will make a motor faster throughout the rev range because the timing goes in when the motor can use it, whereas with static timing the timing can only be used at the point it is most useful - usually at the top of the rev range. Apart from the that, the excess timing just creates excess heat.
If you are certain that the ESC timing is static, then you can have the same effect with the mechanical timing. But, as you say, if it is a blinky class the the Esc timing is illegal. HTH
#431
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Many people on this thread , including myself, have said not to go beyond 55 to 60 degrees of timing on the Kill Shot motors. I was playing with my dyno this afternoon and now I'm not sure that is valid advise. First, I have two 21.5 RPM stator KSs, one with the 12.5mm RPM rotor and one with the 12.5mm turquoise Torque rotor. On both, I've tested the motors up to 70 degrees of timing before the amp draw starts to go crazy. Between 60 and 70 degrees the amp draw is very consistent with other 21.5 motors at much less timing, but the performance is very good. I'm going to take a few teeth off the pinion to account for the higher RPM, then make a few test runs and check the motor temps. I anticipate these will come off the track at about the same temps as other motors with the same amp draws. I'll let you know.
#432
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Many people on this thread , including myself, have said not to go beyond 55 to 60 degrees of timing on the Kill Shot motors. I was playing with my dyno this afternoon and now I'm not sure that is valid advise. First, I have two 21.5 RPM stator KSs, one with the 12.5mm RPM rotor and one with the 12.5mm turquoise Torque rotor. On both, I've tested the motors up to 70 degrees of timing before the amp draw starts to go crazy. Between 60 and 70 degrees the amp draw is very consistent with other 21.5 motors at much less timing, but the performance is very good. I'm going to take a few teeth off the pinion to account for the higher RPM, then make a few test runs and check the motor temps. I anticipate these will come off the track at about the same temps as other motors with the same amp draws. I'll let you know.
I ran my new ones this weekend with 58* and they felt down on power...
#433
Tech Fanatic
Be careful. I also went this route with the 17.5 motors. I got very good results with cranking timing up to 65 or70 with fdr at 4.0 to 4.1 but with the expense of a motor or two. The stators just don't have it in them to go that far consistently. On a motor tester it shows great numbers revved up but on the track however it's just a mater of time. So when I was asked to run the R1 I was hesitant but throwing it on my little motor tester at only 30* of timing. RPM numbers were the same as killshot at 60*. I was impressed. Proof was on the track. It proved it and is still getting better with our timing reaching up to 40* and fdr at 4.0ish. It's like a 13.5 boosted.
#435
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I ordered 3 motors from Fantom last week, a 21.5 and two 17.5's (one for a friend).
The 17.5 tested fine on the table and in the staging area of the track but when I got on the driver's stand to take off, it cogged and died. When I picked the car up, the motor was cold. The Tekin read 1-2-6-7 so I immediately thought my spare ESC was toast. Unsoldered the motor and ESC went back to normal. So... I grabbed the other 17.5 that was supposed to be for my friend and put it in. Fortunately, that one worked and I was able to run the main. 58* timing, geared at 3.7 came off around 105* after 5 minutes. Performance was okay but not nearly as fast as the stock Killshot and 70* geared at 3.93.
I have a call into Fantom to discuss what the issue might be.
If anyone knows where I can get some R1 motors stateside, please let me know.
The 17.5 tested fine on the table and in the staging area of the track but when I got on the driver's stand to take off, it cogged and died. When I picked the car up, the motor was cold. The Tekin read 1-2-6-7 so I immediately thought my spare ESC was toast. Unsoldered the motor and ESC went back to normal. So... I grabbed the other 17.5 that was supposed to be for my friend and put it in. Fortunately, that one worked and I was able to run the main. 58* timing, geared at 3.7 came off around 105* after 5 minutes. Performance was okay but not nearly as fast as the stock Killshot and 70* geared at 3.93.
I have a call into Fantom to discuss what the issue might be.
If anyone knows where I can get some R1 motors stateside, please let me know.