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Old 04-18-2013, 09:42 AM   #106
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Lets keep the discussion in this thread about the Mi5, yeah? Infractions and time-outs in the corner will dished out if there is more name calling, trolling, and/or bashing. I won't delete or lock this thread (which iv seen happen in the past), but I have no problem going through and deleting every single junk post to keep the thread on topic and relevant to the Mi5.
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Lets keep the discussion in this thread about the Mi5, yeah? Infractions and time-outs in the corner will dished out if there is more name calling, trolling, and/or bashing. I won't delete or lock this thread (which iv seen happen in the past), but I have no problem going through and deleting every single junk post to keep the thread on topic and relevant to the Mi5.
Wow!
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Agreed. Wth? Seemed on topic to me.
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Old 04-18-2013, 11:36 AM   #110
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Agreed. Wth? Seemed on topic to me.
You think calling somebody a "dip%^$%" in a thread is on topic? I'm inclined to disagree.
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Old 04-18-2013, 12:29 PM   #111
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Lets keep the discussion in this thread about the Mi5, yeah? Infractions and time-outs in the corner will dished out if there is more name calling, trolling, and/or bashing. I won't delete or lock this thread (which iv seen happen in the past), but I have no problem going through and deleting every single junk post to keep the thread on topic and relevant to the Mi5.
Agreed 100% lets keep this about the MI5.
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You think calling somebody a "dip%^$%" in a thread is on topic? I'm inclined to disagree.
Never even scene the original post... just thought your post was pretty stern... I get called stuff all the time..

The big question is...... is the person really a "dip%^$%"?
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Old 04-18-2013, 01:36 PM   #114
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My guess will be every other manufacturers new releases will look similar to this design.....love how easily you can get the diff outta this thing.
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I'm not sure what to think yet.

There's some things that look awesome:
- Weight distribution options (battery and servo position)
- Motor mount setup with mid-motor option
- Central servo mount
- Control arms
- Omission of C-Hub, with bearings on the bottom
- Easy belt tension adjustment
- New gear diff
- Shocks mounted below arm centerline (but honestly, they could have done that with plastic)
- Rotated servo, with plenty of room for electronics

There's some things I'm disappointed to see carried over from the Mi4:
- Camber link plates, especially now that they've added the swaybar mount so I can't use the Mi4 ones I already have. The camber link plates are a pain in the butt, and it's expensive to buy different options. And as if it wasn't bad enough before, now there's a swaybar hanging off it. It seems like the swaybars, at least in the rear, could have been mounted lower, incorporated into the thing that retains the diffs. That way, they could have at least carried forward the Mi4 camber link plate unchanged.
- Slider inserts on the outdrives. They're not bad, exactly, but I'm not sure they were an improvement from blades, and it's harder to see when something's not quite right in there.
- O-Ring-retained wheel hexes. I think they allow more wheel wobble than clamp-on ones, especially as they wear.

There's some things that are interesting, but bring trade-offs with them, that may or may not work out well:
- The new steering looks trick, but it also looks heavy, isn't mounted particularly low, and the vertical balls on the steering mean no ackerman adjustability
- Fine-grained arm roll center adjustment at the cost of wheelbase, track width, and rear toe adjustment. Hopefully there's still a millimeter or two of wiggle room at the rear outer hinge pin for wheelbase. Track width can be done with wheel spacers. But rear toe... I guess we'll have to see how expensive options for that are.
- Optional rear outer camber link plates for fine-grained tuning at the outer hub, but at the cost of requiring more parts ($$) to have tuning options available.
- It looks like there's an awful lot of weight up high on the shock towers, due to the camber link plates, swaybars, and top deck mounting. That may work against the CG gains of moving the shocks down.
- There's a lot of new screws in the suspension, working against the weight savings of carbon arms and elimination of the C-Hub. 2 on each knuckle/hub and 2 on each arm = 16. Steel screws add up fast.

I think I will also miss the motor clamp. It gave so much range of adjustment for both front-rear distribution by messing with gear sizes, as well as left-right distribution to balance different battery and electronics weights. The only drawback was blocking some cooling holes on some motors, but I think it made up for that by working as a heat sink.

And things I'm just flat out disappointed with:
- The purple is gone
- Where'd the purple go?
- 404 purple not found
- Flushed and went purpling
- Flying purple sweeper eater.

Overall, the car is undeniably Schumacher, and I can't wait to see how it does in the next ETS round.

-Mike
A fair assesment I think but Schumacher still killed it with this design. The competition can't be happy right now.
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My guess will be every other manufacturers new releases will look similar to this design.....love how easily you can get the diff outta this thing.
I'm wondering about the cost of the option deg. rear arm and others ect ?
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I'm wondering about the cost of the option deg. rear arm and others ect ?
Can't be too high, the drawback to this design for Schumacher is that the entry cost to make customized cut CF sheet parts is very low compared to plastic castings. I bet Zeppin, Exotek, etc are super happy with this design approach.
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It's a fair question, but I guess it's how much is a pair of arms vs how much is an an alloy brace / block set. I suspect there won't be a huge amount in it.
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A fair assesment I think but Schumacher still killed it with this design. The competition can't be happy right now.
I think we'll see whether the competition has anything to worry about after the next ETS race next month.

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Can't be too high, the drawback to this design for Schumacher is that the entry cost to make customized cut CF sheet parts is very low compared to plastic castings. I bet Zeppin, Exotek, etc are super happy with this design approach.
Schumacher parts tend to be expensive, especially in the US. A camber link plate, for example, is $10-12. Based on the size of the part and thickness of the carbon, I'd guess an option arm will cost at least that much, and you'll need two of them. To be fair, though, on a car like a 417, BD7, Serpent, TCXX, etc, you have to buy suspension blocks to mess with toe, but that was never an advantage of those platforms.

Anyway, I don't mean to be so negative. It's just that the awesome parts of the car are so awesome, there's just really not much to say about them.

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