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Old 04-17-2013, 08:32 PM   #91
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This car looks just fantastic.. going to have to give RCS a call and get one of these on order! And personally speaking, the black alu is a welcomed change! Anybody want to buy a 417x?
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Old 04-17-2013, 08:44 PM   #92
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Very cool looking TC. I already have a T4, but interested to hear how well this car performs. Also bought my first Schumacher with the K1 buggy not too long ago and I love it.
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Can somebody please help me understand something? The extra slots for the multiple battery positions looks great for a full sized pack, yeah? the pack sits somewhat middle of the chassis and you can shift if forward, middle, or rear. Then they say there is 1 extra set of slots for a shorty... but that doesn't make any sense to me. It looks like there is one set of extra slots, instead of an extra PAIR... so the shorty can be run fully forward only, rather than in the middle of the chassis.

Or am I missing something?
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Can somebody please help me understand something? The extra slots for the multiple battery positions looks great for a full sized pack, yeah? the pack sits somewhat middle of the chassis and you can shift if forward, middle, or rear. Then they say there is 1 extra set of slots for a shorty... but that doesn't make any sense to me. It looks like there is one set of extra slots, instead of an extra PAIR... so the shorty can be run fully forward only, rather than in the middle of the chassis.

Or am I missing something?
yes the shorty will fit forward, there are 3 sets of holes to adjust it, same as the std pack. Offsetting the rear motor configuration. Shorty will almost never be ran with mid motor configuration, the weight balance would be all jacked
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Old 04-17-2013, 10:19 PM   #95
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I guess I don't get it. the point of the shorty is to run less weight on that side, not to run less weight rear, right?
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Sure, but if you left the lighter battery centered and the motor in the same position weight balance would naturally shift rearward
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The point of a shorty is less weight overall. I think most people put the esc behind the shorty.

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Old 04-17-2013, 10:45 PM   #98
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The point of a shorty is less weight overall. I think most people put the esc behind the shorty.

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Oh I didn't realize that... maybe the piece of the puzzle im missing!
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The point of a shorty is less weight overall. I think most people put the esc behind the shorty.

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or put the weight where you want to
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Old 04-17-2013, 11:27 PM   #100
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This shorty is 217g:
http://www.amainhobbies.com/product_...ck-74V-4300mAh

This non-shorty is 327g(!!):
http://www.amainhobbies.com/product_...ts-74V-7000mAh

That's a 110g difference. So the right side of the car will be super light with a shorty. Most ESCs being around 50g (VTX10R a lot heavier, Tekin RS a lot lighter), if you move the ESC behind the battery, it will balance out the weight difference, and leave you with a car that's still balanced, but is around 110g lighter.

I've never tried it personally, but it makes sense on paper.

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This shorty is 217g:
http://www.amainhobbies.com/product_...ck-74V-4300mAh

This non-shorty is 327g(!!):
http://www.amainhobbies.com/product_...ts-74V-7000mAh

That's a 110g difference. So the right side of the car will be super light with a shorty. Most ESCs being around 50g (VTX10R a lot heavier, Tekin RS a lot lighter), if you move the ESC behind the battery, it will balance out the weight difference, and leave you with a car that's still balanced, but is around 110g lighter.

I've never tried it personally, but it makes sense on paper.

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This makes sense only where they don't have minimal weight rule.
In most races you have minimum weight +-1350g which you can achieve with normal lipo and the cars these days are balanced any way.
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This makes sense only where they don't have minimal weight rule.
In most races you have minimum weight +-1350g which you can achieve with normal lipo and the cars these days are balanced any way.
Not with an Mi4. To get my older Mi4 LP down to 1380g (ROAR mininum for touring), I had to run a 5000/50c battery (about 285g if I recall), Tekin RS (27g), and titanium screws. My CXL is at 1420 with a 6800/70c (325g-ish) and Viper VTX10 (47g I think). So realistically, the easiest way to hit 1350 would be a shortly lipo, and add some weight back in.

That being said, I've gone through an "omg my car is too heavy, I have to reduce weight" phase, and through trying different things, I've found that the heavier battery with higher capacity and C-rating gives enough performance improvement to be worth the extra weight, so I've never been interested in running a shorty. Plus, the extra weight seems to help resist traction roll on carpet, which the Mi4 line has always seemed more prone to than some other brands.

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I have been out of touring car racing for a while since it has all but died around me. I used to run a Mi2, and man does this car just look incredible. Might just have to get some touring car running again around here.
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Old 04-18-2013, 09:18 AM   #105
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Yes.. I have not adjusted prices because of Dollar / Euro value change. That combined with the Cyprus bank crisis hasn't helped with "costs". If the Euro remains weak then prices will drop.

No one has bought a EX model so its not a fair judge. The EXL and L are the most popular.

Please carry on with your discussion. If you want to talk (or buy) Awesomatix you know where to find us...
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