4WD Oval Racing?
#16
I think we're gonna' have to rely on guys like ASM to answer that. Some of those folks have experimented with un-modified chassis. Part of the equation will definitely have to be a change in your expectations......a standard chassis is simply not going to handle like a custom oval chassis. I must say though; as an oval rookie it amazed me how complex oval really is.....small changes in driving technique on each lap can have huge effects on your track position. What a rush to see yourself close the gap on someone just because of one slight driving line change or throttle change. And it all happens at high speed.
Try driving your car without any changes first, see how it reacts and then make small adjustments to solve the problems you're "feeling" and seeing. I know I've basically stiffened things up a bit ( not as much as carpet) and I'm experimenting with different droop setting at each corner and even different tire compounds of TakeOff tires. I also believe the body makes a huge difference. I find most touring car bodies great on the straight and in "on throttle" portions of the turns but not so great once the throttle is backed off suddenly. Aerodynamic grip is much more consistant with an oval body. Try the McAllister Dodge Intrepid HS 190mm. www.mcallisterracing.com
Try driving your car without any changes first, see how it reacts and then make small adjustments to solve the problems you're "feeling" and seeing. I know I've basically stiffened things up a bit ( not as much as carpet) and I'm experimenting with different droop setting at each corner and even different tire compounds of TakeOff tires. I also believe the body makes a huge difference. I find most touring car bodies great on the straight and in "on throttle" portions of the turns but not so great once the throttle is backed off suddenly. Aerodynamic grip is much more consistant with an oval body. Try the McAllister Dodge Intrepid HS 190mm. www.mcallisterracing.com
#17
Im really interested in 4wd oval but dont know where to start for a set up. What is generally done?? Stiffer RF and LR spring? Bars...one way??
My club runs on a flat carpet oval, and its a bullring. Meaning---its SHORT. You can flatfoot it all the way around but if you let off the gas on corner entry, your right back on it in a hurry. Its a real drivers' track that we built.
We made certain rules so the cars are as equal as we can get them. For example, we all have to run Stock Car bodies, or Nastrucks (no TC bodies) same motors, same tires, no matched batteries/3000mhz max, similar gearing. Stock suspension components, nothing graphite or titanium. We can run any spring we want and sway bars are optional.
So even though we all run basically the same stuff, we still have alot of setup options. (For example, I like to run a degree to a degree-and-a-half more camber in the RF than most other guys). We tried to make it so the cars are equal so you have to really hit your marks each lap and out-drive the other guys to win.
We all think its a blast and would love to race our cars "officially" but nobody around here does that. So we are all hoping that the popularity of 4WD oval down south makes it way here to the chicago area.
#18
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If you are looking for some summer racing AJ's in Dekalb has a Saturday night under the lights race. Usually he will run roadcourse and oval outside. It starts this Sat at 7pm with practice all day.
On the AJs outdoor oval I did test 4wd sedan and my tallest 64p gear... 51tooth. Holding it flat out around the track it took 9 seconds with a stock motor. It is a little scarry especially with a wind. Might be worth the trip if you are near by. If enough people show up with 4wd sedan oval he will run it as a class... usually 3 or more.
Before he converted from his tri-oval we used to just run stock sedan on that. Although there were no specific rules and the gearing was much milder.
On the AJs outdoor oval I did test 4wd sedan and my tallest 64p gear... 51tooth. Holding it flat out around the track it took 9 seconds with a stock motor. It is a little scarry especially with a wind. Might be worth the trip if you are near by. If enough people show up with 4wd sedan oval he will run it as a class... usually 3 or more.
Before he converted from his tri-oval we used to just run stock sedan on that. Although there were no specific rules and the gearing was much milder.
#19
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RaceFan3 at the gearing of 78/17 you should easily be able to hold that wide open. The problem is that most guys don't know where to actually gear the car....that's what makes the speed difference. To tell you the truth, it takes a long time to learn you go actually put that much on the car. Most guys gear close to an on-road set-up thinking it's fast enough. The gear secret has kept a lot guys off the pace at the previous Snowbirds. More and more are catching on though. I had got the gear in 2002 from Gary at Associated who actually ran the class too. At that time, he made me guard it with my life!!!
On the small snowbirds oval.....how about a 98/39 in 64P on the TC3......it'll make a HUGE difference. Give it a try, hope this helps!
On the small snowbirds oval.....how about a 98/39 in 64P on the TC3......it'll make a HUGE difference. Give it a try, hope this helps!
#20
Thanks for the info Scott---i was about to ask what type of gear was used at the 'Birds. The problem at our track---is that its ALOT SMALLER than the track at the 'Birds.
Our track is in what used to be a classroom at a grade school if that tells you anything----its REAL old-fashioned door-slammin short track racing!
Our track is in what used to be a classroom at a grade school if that tells you anything----its REAL old-fashioned door-slammin short track racing!
#21
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Originally posted by rcdougie
Im really interested in 4wd oval but dont know where to start for a set up. What is generally done?? Stiffer RF and LR spring? Bars...one way??
Im really interested in 4wd oval but dont know where to start for a set up. What is generally done?? Stiffer RF and LR spring? Bars...one way??
Getting the car stable and easy to drive through traffic is a very big help in this class. If it's fast but on the ragged edge, you'll never make it through 4 minutes....LOL
#22
Getting the car stable and easy to drive through traffic is a very big help in this class. If it's fast but on the ragged edge, you'll never make it through 4 minutes....LOL
But like you said about driving through traffic----these cars on the oval can be kinda dangerous if they arent stable. Every guy in our club has gone through many, many bodies and parts! We've had some wrecks for the ages thats for sure!
#24
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Originally posted by steve eaves
I'm from tulsa,ok we run latemodel 19t oval on dirt it's a blast real popular here at least 2-3 heats.Tc3 hookm up nice on the dirt.
Steve eaves
I'm from tulsa,ok we run latemodel 19t oval on dirt it's a blast real popular here at least 2-3 heats.Tc3 hookm up nice on the dirt.
Steve eaves
Late models on dirt......SWEET!!!!!!
Hey RaceFan3, glad to hear I'm not the only one suffering through the bashing in this class...LOL! Sounds like you guys came up with great way to run the races.
#26
Hey RaceFan3, glad to hear I'm not the only one suffering through the bashing in this class...LOL! Sounds like you guys came up with great way to run the races.
But yea, 4WD oval rocks. Its alot of fun