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Old 12-05-2002, 08:45 AM   #1096
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I think the Orion article said that they ended up using the 2 belt cars after testing them during practice. But I don't know if any one from Corally actually confirmed Orions report.

What you could see from the pics is that those arms look awfully thin. I know those were alloy arms, but I hope the production ones has some more heft to them. I could also see that they were using the transponder mount from the C4.1 on the car. I just hope its included with the new cars this time, and isn't something you have to buy later on.
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Old 12-05-2002, 08:00 PM   #1097
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Wow those arms are thin!!!!!

The front end around the diff and bulkhead looks very impressive

Love the bottom deck with all the cut outs

So did they use the twin or single belt?

I would think the single belt would have worked better

Rear end looks a little weak
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Old 12-06-2002, 12:17 AM   #1098
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Hi guys. Greetings from Malta.

The whole car looks spindly, but I am sure that is because it is just a prototype.

My experience with Corally is that they make their cars bullitt proof, so I see no reason why this should be an exception.

TOM> Sorry to disagree with you about the chassis cut outs. I wish manufacturers wouldn't do that. If you look at the C4.1, the Losi XXXS graphite chassis, various Shumachers, etc. they put so many cut aways in the chassis that there isn't anywhere to anchor the electrics properly. The MR4 and TC3 are God sends in that respect.

No I would rather have a chassis with just battery cut outs and perhaps a motor cut out, but nothing else. After all, it's not as though they need to reduce the weight. Almost every car is below the weight limit out of the box nowadays.

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Old 12-06-2002, 02:23 AM   #1099
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Wow, I have been told here is some going on......and there is. Just to clear up some things:

- The new Corally car looked really good, understeered slightly but that is just a setting of the drivers. Sakke and Simo are good, but not David, Barry or Paul. Remember they are professional drivers and do nothing else whole day as thinking about and driving touring cars. And they cost many $$$$$$$

- They used the 2 belt system for what I have seen in the finals. Also Constant mentioned me this. I have had both cars in my hands, and think they have surely potential. Personally I prefer the 2 belt car.

- The arms look thin, but as they were made out of T6 alloy this is logic. Both Sakke and Simo had no breakages, although they had some heavy impacts.

- Sakke broke in the 1/12th final as he crashed REALLY hard in the board, and it was logic he broke something. He crashed just in front of me. (coincidence?

- X-ray cars TQ-ed 2 out of 3 Touring classes (Masters and Stock), and Ralph would have been 4th on the grid if he was not taken out in the last qualifier. So the car can't be that bad.

In regards to all 'copies', nowadays its very difficult to make something original, as there are too many good people around who can design a car. If you look statistics, as well in real F1, you try to improve a good design, as you want to win and survive as a company. Its nice to respect others, but it does not give you food..... I am sure that Constant also looked at others design to see in which way he could improve or change it. At the end there are some choices: Belt or shaft drive, 4 wheels, 4wd, 4 shocks. And you have to design a car around that..... But, I got the point that the first X-ray looked VERY similar to the 4.1, but it does not look similar at all anymore.

This will be same for the new HPI, Yokomo, and others that are planning shaft drive, it will look very similar to Associated, as there are not many options to do it different. Who wants to drive a Yok or HPI that does not perform on the track, we all want to have a good car with the image we think we belong too. And for all there is a choice.

PS. A small edit to mention what I just thought about: Who remembers the Tenth Technology Predator and the Touring car version couple of years ago.....it had a shaft drive, first ones ever. So, is than Associated copying, or were they just smart....

Just my view on it all.

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Old 12-06-2002, 05:18 AM   #1100
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Hi all. Greetings from Malta.

OSCAR. I thought exactly that when I saw the first pics of the TC3...........a perfect copy of the Predator.

We used to run a Predator TC and used to have nothing but trouble with stripping diffs. T Tech made God knows how many different diff profiles to try sorting the problem, but it was always the Predator's weak spot. It was a flyer otherwise.

When we got our first TC3 we thought we would have the same problems, but I must say the diffs have given no problems at all. I rebuild Josh's diffs every 3 or so meetings - just wash them out and re grease.

I like your reports in the Orion site. Keep them up.

Oh by the way. Who is the bird in the Cleveland write up?

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I too remember the Predator TC and buggy. The funny thing about all this copying stuff is that there is almost nothing out there right now that wasn't taken from somewhere else. But why does it bother racers so much? Hell, Losi and Associated steal ideas from each other all the time when they make new buggies, but nobody give a fart, so why is it such a big deal in TC racing?

I understand why the companies would care, because this is a business for them. But when I see people(who don't make any money on this stuff either way)going crazy on the message boards about who is copying who, or who stole what from who, I just don't get why they care so much. Johnbull manages to state his opinion on the matter very well, but some of these guys just go plain loco!

Everyone claims they want innovation everytime a new car comes out, but even when there is very little similar between two cars, people will hunt for anything. "Uh....this companies' car has four wheels, four shocks, and uses a motor....its a copy!" Remember when people first saw the prototypes of the XXX-S and Mission, they both were said to be "Yokomo copies". Did either of those cars turn out to be anything like the Yokomo? Umm...No!

So, now a days, no matter what you come out with, its going to look like SOMETHING else, to SOMEBODIES eyes, so why worry about it!

I say people should just buy what they like and let this "copying" stuff rest.

Just a thought, though.
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Old 12-07-2002, 12:16 PM   #1102
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everything is a copy
all cars have 4 wheels, a belt or shaft
but this provides for improvments and makes the hobby better

in the end our cars are just getting better and better

so why worry?

back to the bottom deck, the less cut outs the more aerodynamic
more cut outs make it weaker and as said before, less to stick ur small esc to, but the name still looks good.

maybe they should just leave that in.
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Well it was a matter of time before a spy shot was on the net. At least this one was one of consent from Corally. I will comfirm that Sakke and Simo were using the dual belt set-up on their cars in Cleveland. This was due to an on-power push that was present using the single belt set-up. The car still has a few issues with steering. More work is being done on the front end of the car to make it even better. As for the arms being thin, This is due to them being made of an alloy. Production arms will most likley be of more material. This car is still a prototype and will continue to have alot of diffrent designs attempted on it.

Now to talk about the copy theme. Let's put this to rest as this new car is getting closer. This is all history and let's leave it at that. The recent sucess of this car deserves its's own place in the R/C Touring world. By the time it hits the hobby stores it will be the finnest crafted and best handling car on the market.

We all are looking forward to the development of this new T/C. I will answer as many questions on this new car and other Corally cars as possible.

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Old 12-07-2002, 12:47 PM   #1104
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I will pass on the comment about the Transponder mount.

As for the two diffrent drive trains, I believe that both will be used. One may come as an option. The two belt car works well with modified motors and the single belt works well with stock.(at this time) Would it not be great to have a choice as to which you would like to use? This just shows that Corally is looking at every racer and their choice. One car may do it all!!!!!!!

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Old 12-11-2002, 01:21 PM   #1105
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Old 12-14-2002, 12:55 AM   #1106
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Hi Guys,
Just wanting a couple of quick opinions on the C4.1 Chassis Kit.
I am considering buying one but have never driven one or even seen one in real life.
I currently own a TA04R fully hopped up with most of the good bits. Would you say the C4.1 would out perform the TA04R?? Any opinions are appreciated

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Hi Guys,
Just wanting a couple of quick opinions on the C4.1 Chassis Kit.
I am considering buying one but have never driven one or even seen one in real life.
I currently own a TA04R fully hopped up with most of the good bits. Would you say the C4.1 would out perform the TA04R?? Any opinions are appreciated

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Hi Steevo,

My name is Paul Smith and i race in Sydney, i drive a Corally for the Australian Importer, so we can certainly help you out with your questions regarding Corally cars.

Where abouts in Australia do you live or race?

The C4.1 is a very good car, however a new model is due around about March 2003. If you plan on racing at a track where i'm racing too, your very welcome to have a go of my Corally C4.1 so you can see what they are like.

Are you considering a new car or a 2nd hand car????

(you started the "XXXS Vs TB EvoII Vs XRay Evo2 Vs TA04R " thead???? glad to see you added Corally to your list" )


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Old 12-14-2002, 01:20 AM   #1108
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Hi Paul,
From early next year I will be making the England Park Raceway in Brisbane my new club.
I have a friend who owns a hobby store in Hong Kong who is offering me the kit new for a very good price. I just don't want to buy a new car and find out that it is no better than my current car which is quite good. The only reason why I am considering a change is just because I would like to try something a little different. I just want to move up not sideways or backwards when it comes to a new chassis kit.

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Well the Corally C4.1 has been a popular and successful car in Australia, the C4.1 would certainly be considered a step up from the TA04, particularly when you going to be racing on a purpose built track, this is the type of track the C4.1 was made for!

However don't get rid of your TA04, you can use that to enter the 2003 Australian Tamiya Championship Series
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In all honesty Paul what is the Parts back up like for the C4.1 at the moment. I mean how long would I have to wait to get a part for it and where would be the best place in Australia to buy them from?? Also will the parts be available for some time or will they become hard to get after the release of the new model?

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