2005 ROAR On-Road Carpet Nationals
03-22-2005, 08:01 PM
#841
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Originally posted by MPrincip
Look..
The Only reason why ROAR is still around is because they hold the One Main Key for the Manufactures..
You have to Attend a ROAR Nationals Event to Qualify for the World Championships!! Period.
If this was not the case.. ROAR would Cease to Exist!!!
There are so many other races to attend. Some better some worse.
But if you take the Worlds from ROAR no one would care about ROAR!!!
MIke
Look..
The Only reason why ROAR is still around is because they hold the One Main Key for the Manufactures..
You have to Attend a ROAR Nationals Event to Qualify for the World Championships!! Period.
If this was not the case.. ROAR would Cease to Exist!!!
There are so many other races to attend. Some better some worse.
But if you take the Worlds from ROAR no one would care about ROAR!!!
MIke
The fact is ROAR is a valuable entity in the community.
Without ROAR..........we would have 100's of tracks with 100's of sets of rules.
03-22-2005, 08:02 PM
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Originally posted by KDagh1
Where is George the owner of Hobby Chamber? I have been scanning these posts for the past couple of days waiting to see a reply from George.
The silence is deafening. Has anybody heard what his reaction to the whole thing is? I have heard everybody else's story except for the Race Director / Track Owner.
Where is George the owner of Hobby Chamber? I have been scanning these posts for the past couple of days waiting to see a reply from George.
The silence is deafening. Has anybody heard what his reaction to the whole thing is? I have heard everybody else's story except for the Race Director / Track Owner.
My guess are:
He is taking a deep breath after a very stressful couple of weeks.
or
He just does not give a crap.
I think the former.
Keep in mind that since he has cut his ties with ROAR....he needs to answer to no one, anymore.
03-22-2005, 08:06 PM
#845
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Thanks Chris and Carl! Call me if you need to chew on me for a while.
Kenny B
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Kenny B
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03-22-2005, 08:09 PM
#846
That's it Hobby Chamber...I quit this thread due to your ineptness and failure to report the results.
03-22-2005, 08:26 PM
#847
So are you telling me that if a Racer wants to Attend the World Championships that he does not need to Qualify at a ROAR National Event? 
You must Attend... Also You must finish in the Top 40 at a National Qualifying Event to be on the list which is submitted to IFMAR.. Or there abouts...
Is this not the case?
So You are telling me that a racer can attend the Snowbirds and Qualify for the Worlds?
Don't think so...
Also the Snowbirds Don't use ROAR Rules... Either does US Champs... And those are the best run races in the Country who average over 400 people.
Mike
You must Attend... Also You must finish in the Top 40 at a National Qualifying Event to be on the list which is submitted to IFMAR.. Or there abouts...
Is this not the case?
So You are telling me that a racer can attend the Snowbirds and Qualify for the Worlds?
Don't think so...
Also the Snowbirds Don't use ROAR Rules... Either does US Champs... And those are the best run races in the Country who average over 400 people.
Mike
03-22-2005, 08:26 PM
#848
"The One Main Key that keeps ROAR around is that ROAR has established guidlines to keep racing as fair as possible for its membership and mantain a consistancy in racing where ever you go. "
That's kinda funny.....in this case, the racing was not fair, as the established guidelines were not followed for the motor approvals, which allowed a prototype motor to win 1/12th scale...
ROAR is here because we need it.......without orginization, you have chaos....
Later EddieO
That's kinda funny.....in this case, the racing was not fair, as the established guidelines were not followed for the motor approvals, which allowed a prototype motor to win 1/12th scale...
ROAR is here because we need it.......without orginization, you have chaos....
Later EddieO
03-22-2005, 08:34 PM
#849
Originally posted by Carl Giordano
There is a link on the ROAR website, which is linked to the starting grid and linked to a site which is titled "speak with ROAR".
Please feel free to voice you complains on this link. as I know this is a link used by the executive committee.
There is a link on the ROAR website, which is linked to the starting grid and linked to a site which is titled "speak with ROAR".
Please feel free to voice you complains on this link. as I know this is a link used by the executive committee.
Are you serious? the "Starting Grid" message board uses the most archaic and backwards forum software ever written! All the different interfaces make no sense whatsoever (with names like Pistachio and Bubblegum lol) And thats just scratching the surface!
03-22-2005, 08:55 PM
#850
Originally posted by raffaelli
ROAR provides you with the guidlines that the manufactures produce to, and try tp keep a level playing field so you have an opportunity to have a fair event. We can argue the success of that until we are blue in the face.
The fact is ROAR is a valuable entity in the community.
Without ROAR..........we would have 100's of tracks with 100's of sets of rules.
ROAR provides you with the guidlines that the manufactures produce to, and try tp keep a level playing field so you have an opportunity to have a fair event. We can argue the success of that until we are blue in the face.
The fact is ROAR is a valuable entity in the community.
Without ROAR..........we would have 100's of tracks with 100's of sets of rules.
ROAR makes rules for companies to make products? That's not how it's supposed to be. That would mean volunteer, non-profit organization (and not the best in organization) is in charge of what companies make and the direction of the hobby?
I think I know what you're trying to say, but if I was a company I wouldn't want ROAR to think that's what they are here for to set my product line. THere are lots of things that lots of companies made that weren't ROAR legal to start.
At this point ROAR is just some rules. Stepping out of the role requires a huge fish to fry and they aren't set up for that type of commitment and I'm not sure who is at this point.
03-22-2005, 11:56 PM
#852
ROAR is the governing body for RC car racing in the Americas.
EFRA is the governing body for RC car racing in Europe.
There are similar National Federations for other Continents.
All these fall under IFMAR - the International Federation.
That's the set up. If you are unhappy with the way ROAR is operating, simply outvote the present council members and replace them with people you think will do a better job, but there's no point trying to break up ROAR itself. You need an International representative and ROAR is yours.
Any sport needs such a set up. Look at the cock ups the FIA is doing in International motorsport at the moment. There's no point flattening the FIA. Get rid of Max Moseley and replace him with someone that talks sense and you're OK again.
I suspect that, in a roundabout way, this is what the GPWC are actually trying to do.
EFRA is the governing body for RC car racing in Europe.
There are similar National Federations for other Continents.
All these fall under IFMAR - the International Federation.
That's the set up. If you are unhappy with the way ROAR is operating, simply outvote the present council members and replace them with people you think will do a better job, but there's no point trying to break up ROAR itself. You need an International representative and ROAR is yours.
Any sport needs such a set up. Look at the cock ups the FIA is doing in International motorsport at the moment. There's no point flattening the FIA. Get rid of Max Moseley and replace him with someone that talks sense and you're OK again.
I suspect that, in a roundabout way, this is what the GPWC are actually trying to do.
03-23-2005, 12:28 AM
#853
Originally posted by johnbull
If you are unhappy with the way ROAR is operating, simply outvote the present council members and replace them with people you think will do a better job, but there's no point trying to break up ROAR itself. You need an International representative and ROAR is yours.
If you are unhappy with the way ROAR is operating, simply outvote the present council members and replace them with people you think will do a better job, but there's no point trying to break up ROAR itself. You need an International representative and ROAR is yours.
03-23-2005, 05:05 AM
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Originally posted by DerekB
Crap, I tried to stay out of this, but the way you put this is what bothers lots of people..
ROAR makes rules for companies to make products? That's not how it's supposed to be. That would mean volunteer, non-profit organization (and not the best in organization) is in charge of what companies make and the direction of the hobby?
I think I know what you're trying to say, but if I was a company I wouldn't want ROAR to think that's what they are here for to set my product line. THere are lots of things that lots of companies made that weren't ROAR legal to start.
At this point ROAR is just some rules. Stepping out of the role requires a huge fish to fry and they aren't set up for that type of commitment and I'm not sure who is at this point.
Crap, I tried to stay out of this, but the way you put this is what bothers lots of people..
ROAR makes rules for companies to make products? That's not how it's supposed to be. That would mean volunteer, non-profit organization (and not the best in organization) is in charge of what companies make and the direction of the hobby?
I think I know what you're trying to say, but if I was a company I wouldn't want ROAR to think that's what they are here for to set my product line. THere are lots of things that lots of companies made that weren't ROAR legal to start.
At this point ROAR is just some rules. Stepping out of the role requires a huge fish to fry and they aren't set up for that type of commitment and I'm not sure who is at this point.
