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Old 10-16-2012, 02:45 AM   #691
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Old 10-16-2012, 07:10 AM   #693
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Below are the changes(in bold) from the original setup I posted.

Front:

2nd hole from top on shock tower
2.7 Xray spring
300cst oil
4X1.1mm pistons
1.4 Xray bar(short endlinks)
2 degrees camber L/R*Reduced "nervous" feeling during turn-in*
4 degree caster blocks*Less mid corner steering and improved turn-in*
1 degree toe-out
1mm spacer in front/rear of arm
Upper links middle hole on bulkhead
2mm under outer link
2mm under inner link
middle roll center blocks
2mm droop(measuring above ride height)
1.5mm Akerman
1mm bumpsteer
stock servo tie-rod position(upper position on servo saver)
Stock track width(1.5mm spacers)
Stock wheel hex with .5mm shim on each side
Xray diff using Plato as filler
52mm ECS shafts

Rear:

2nd hole from top on shock tower
2.3/2.6 Xray progressive spring *I thought the rear spring was 2.4/2.6 but it was actually 2.3/2.6*
300cst oil
4X1.1mm pistons
1.2 Xray bar(short endlinks and middle position on arm)
2.75 degrees camber L/R
3 degrees toe-in(using 1mm shim at the rear instead of stock .7mm)*Improved overall rear grip*
1mm spacer in front of the rear arm(2mm behind)
Upper links middle hole on bulkhead
4.5mm under outer link
2mm under inner link
high roll center blocks(+.75)
2mm droop(measuring above ride height) *reduced "abrupt" turn-in"
Stock track width
Stock wheel hex
Xray diff w/1000cst *Car turned in better and more stable on power*
50mm stock shafts


Notes:

-Added 1mm(2mm total) between shock tower and front shock
-Added 2mm between the bottom of the rear shock and arm.
Hey Corey,
Could you please explain to me how you measure droop above rideheight?
I am only used to the other way using a droop gauge.
Thanks
Regards David

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Old 10-16-2012, 07:12 AM   #694
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For those that want a comparison between the rear tower on a T3 and the T4;

The only difference betwen the T3'11 and '12 tower is the removal of the QRC holes.

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Old 10-16-2012, 07:31 AM   #695
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Hey Corey,
Could you please explain to me how you measure droop above rideheight?
I am only used to the other way using a droop gauge.
Thanks
Regards David
Thanks to the handy work of Artwork, here is a video of how to do this...

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Old 10-16-2012, 10:06 AM   #696
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For those that want a comparison between the rear tower on a T3 and the T4;

The only difference betwen the T3'11 and '12 tower is the removal of the QRC holes.

So would you think it feasible to fit the new shock towers and the small shocks to the t3'12 ?
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Old 10-16-2012, 10:08 AM   #697
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So would you think it feasible to fit the new shock towers and the small shocks to the t3'12 ?
No you couldnt do that as the holes that mount to the bulkead clamps on the tower do not line up. You can see the difference in the pic. The bulkheads are much closer together on the new car.

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Old 10-16-2012, 10:09 AM   #698
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So would you think it feasible to fit the new shock towers and the small shocks to the t3'12 ?
No I dont think the bulked holes would line up.
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Old 10-16-2012, 10:13 AM   #699
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And the body posts are in a different spot...great.
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Old 10-16-2012, 10:14 AM   #700
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It looks kind of sloppy the way the shock holes aren't evenly spaced from the edge.

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Old 10-16-2012, 10:21 AM   #701
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For those that want a comparison between the rear tower on a T3 and the T4;

The only difference betwen the T3'11 and '12 tower is the removal of the QRC holes.

Looks like you need to grind the excess axle sticking past your wheel nut
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Old 10-16-2012, 10:22 AM   #702
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It looks kind of sloppy the way the shock holes aren't evenly spaced from the edge.

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I'll take proper geometry over looks in my shock towers anyday....
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Old 10-16-2012, 10:23 AM   #703
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I have always found that grip remains the same but the line between neutral and snap oversteer is much finer. You are relying more on the tire when when reducing roll and this can cause them to overheat in some cases. The main advantage is that the reduction of roll at the rear makes the car transition much quicker and allows the car to "sqaure up" sooner. Again, something these progressive springs do not seem to allow. Hense the reason we are running the shocks stood up and the higher real roll centre. Keep in mind that you can go to far, which is why we need to do more testing.
How would you alter your setup of you were running at a low/med grip carpet track? Like after a layout change or at a track where traffic is light and the grips never really gets high.

My T3 11 has a floaty, not locked in feel.

I am running this setup with 2011 L1/L2 inner link mounts in and up front and rear: http://forum.teamxray.com/xform/inde...&setup=t3_2012

BTW, we run Jaco Blues and I use SXT3.0 compound. we can run any low odor compound. Is there a better choice?
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So would you think it feasible to fit the new shock towers and the small shocks to the t3'12 ?
But you could drill new holes in the '12 tower and cut off the excess on the bottom
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Old 10-16-2012, 11:01 AM   #705
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So when is the USA arrival time?
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