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Old 05-25-2013, 02:23 PM   #3736
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Here is the front tire I must use. It's 26mm wide and 65.8mm in diameter. Here is a pic of the tire that kept traction rolling. It seems all vta tires wear the inside. I only have 1 deg of negative camber.
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Old 05-25-2013, 02:44 PM   #3737
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My T4 has been naughty and made me frustrated. It is finally handling good for the first time. I took the rear bar off and increased front droop and softened rear dampers by using 1.2mm pistons.
2.3 Rear springs and 1.5mm front bar.
If you've had to go that extreme with the rollbars you have another problem.

NOBODY runs without a rear roll bar as it effects the transition of the car.

Post your setup so others can have a look and make sure you fill in as much information as possible.

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Old 05-25-2013, 03:42 PM   #3738
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Hi Guys Does Anyone No The Size Difference Of The DS Motosports Xray T4 Towers Compared To The Std T4 Towers Isit Only 1mm Increase On The Shock Mounting Points??
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Old 05-25-2013, 04:00 PM   #3739
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just a quick one,if i move the front camber link to the shortest hole from middle what can i expect to happen?
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Old 05-25-2013, 05:29 PM   #3740
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TQ'd, won, and set a new personal best at the track today. I've basically been running EA's Snowbirds setup but with a front spool and some minor fluid changes. I feel like it is the best 17.5/stock carpet setup to begin with. If you need a starting point USE IT. The setup is also good in mod with just a spring and droop change. We've also had great luck with the setup in VTA with 2.9/2.7 springs.

In other words, there's a reason it won Snowbirds
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Old 05-25-2013, 05:58 PM   #3741
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just a quick one,if i move the front camber link to the shortest hole from middle what can i expect to happen?
Just asked the same exact question today. In a way it controls the speed of the roll left to right/right to left, or the amount of roll in a corner. With shorter links it will finish its roll faster than with long links.
Today I put thicker bars on my car 1.5 front,1.3 rear and had my best run yet.
Usually around 27-28 laps fastest lap 9.6.
I didn't break my fast lap but consistently hit my fast lap and avg around 10 seconds with 30 laps, TQ was 32 5.06 or something.
In all the change made a huge difference for my driving style and would definitely recommend to try it
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If you've had to go that extreme with the rollbars you have another problem.

NOBODY runs without a rear roll bar as it effects the transition of the car.

Post your setup so others can have a look and make sure you fill in as much information as possible.

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Here you go. I started with Basic Set up for asphalt as recommended by Xray.
Then I kept making adjustments...

I marked the wrong pistons... I have the four hole pistons.

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Hmmm, I've never tried droop settings like that.
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We all hate traction rolling! Like skiddins said, you gotta put the rear sway bar back on for sure. Here's a few things to do: Go back to the 1.4 or even 1.3 front bar. Go mid or even long upper links (to reduce camber gain) and 2mm inner shims. Reduce front static camber to 1.0. Lay your front shocks down to the second hole from the inside. Reduce rear droop to 5 or more (to reduce forward weight transfer on entry). I'd probably go with 2.5 rear springs. Go back to 1.1 - 4 hole pistons and 350 all around. You could even increase the front track width .75 with shims or option hexes. Lower your body and ride height as much as legally possible.
Basically, to avoid grip roll you have to let the car roll more freely in the corners. I know it sounds backwards but, many of us have gone through this and it's the only solution. Hope this helps.
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I am not the guy with traction rolling problem. My car was too loose. Oversteering coming out of a turn.
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Right, TT Vert was the traction rolling guy. Well hopefully it helps someone...
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I looked at the set up sheets posted by the winning people and what I noticed is some people have stiffer rear end than the front which seems crazy to me. This lead me to think that the fast people will be fast no matter how the car handles and they will adjust their driving style to make the best out of the given setup.
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I am not the guy with traction rolling problem. My car was too loose. Oversteering coming out of a turn.
Use the 1.2 rear toe shim instead of the .75 shim, if that locks the rear end in to much you can go to a 1mm shim.
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Old 05-26-2013, 01:16 PM   #3749
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Use the 1.2 rear toe shim instead of the .75 shim, if that locks the rear end in to much you can go to a 1mm shim.
That will increase the rear toe. Is that what you are recommending?
3.0 -> 3.5 ?
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I am not the guy with traction rolling problem. My car was too loose. Oversteering coming out of a turn.
It looks like you probably had an issue with loose on power, but in trying to solve it you've gone too far.

Is it as if when you come of of a corner, you start to straighten up and apply power and the car almost wants to keep turning?
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