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Old 08-17-2008, 04:11 PM   #13501
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I run a novak 13.5 and gear it 88/46. I run the lrptc speedo and the motor comes off around 140 ish. I run on a long narrow track that has a very long straight and a tight infield. Next week I'm going with an 47t pinion. I also run lipos.
In general let temperature be your guide. 160-170 being the tops. (IMO)

Shoulda tried that 47 today!
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Awesome, you'll have to post those setups up for all to see. I've been running 13.5 for the most part. SIR is waay to small to be running mod without it being a white knuckle experience, so most don't run it. I did do a little 10.5 testing last night, but the setup still needs a little work. It's a little pushy still...

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The set up is already posted on gear chart.com We are running his Reedy race set up. It works great at the two tracks in our local area.

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Right guys I need some help. Im going to be running an LRP 13.5 brushless motor in my cyclone for the 1st time. I need to know what spur gear sizes I will need and what pinion sizes as well. I have the andy moor wce with the 16t pulleys. Im told to gear this motor around 4.0 on a large asphalt track. Any other advise ref 13,5 would be use full
At the Reedy race guys weren't any lower than 4.3 with their 13.5 gearing. 4.0 might work for you but I'd check the temps during practice.
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Old 08-17-2008, 04:14 PM   #13503
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[QUOTE=KHoff7;4748184]I agree, But my lrp motor really needed to be geared abnormally high.[/QUOTE

I found that the LRP 13.5 needs to have timing advanced to produce decent RPM.

If I didn't crank the timing, the motor was a real pooch!!
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Old 08-17-2008, 04:32 PM   #13504
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Iam running a LRP 13.5 brushless in my cyclone and im using the LRP sphere TC spec esc. can any one give me a good starting point to setup the esc with I.E punch and brake settings etc
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Old 08-17-2008, 04:43 PM   #13505
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In order to use bigger spur gears, I was thinking of lifting the stock motor mount by putting 2mm washer/spacers between the chassis and the bottom of the stock motor mount. This will also raise the motor, will there be any concern with affecting the handling because of the motor lifted by 2mm?

The motor is a heavy part of your car so you want it as low as possible. raising it will make your car roll to much in turns. Your front top plate will not sit flat if you raise the motor mount up with 2mm washers.

Yeah jag88 ..........We had fun in mod today, I had a broken power wire from the speedo so I didn't have anything for Brett, I found it after the main.

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Old 08-17-2008, 10:49 PM   #13506
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can you tell me in where use this setup carpet ?
use setup sheet more detail e-mail to me ok ?

& what is your drive style ( on power steering or off power steering )?

Thanks !
ok i will mail it to you but what is your email adresse .
I will send you all the detail in ( setup sheet , driving style and track information ) in my email
Thanks alot for your help
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Old 08-18-2008, 12:12 AM   #13507
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I know HB/HPI reps come in here from time to time, my questions about the new TC.

Why plastic front bumper support?
Why black spring collars?
Why revert to 44mm CVA's?
Why steel turnbuckles?
Why steel hingepins/shock shafts?
Why new topdeck but no ATC posts included?
How come the shock bodies are now plastic?
Plastic belt tensioner?
Plastic spring pirches?
Plastic servo mounts?

With all the cost cutting on the car...you'd think it would be like $299 max.
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Old 08-18-2008, 07:22 AM   #13508
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I know HB/HPI reps come in here from time to time, my questions about the new TC.

Why plastic front bumper support?
Why black spring collars?
Why revert to 44mm CVA's?
Why steel turnbuckles?
Why steel hingepins/shock shafts?
Why new topdeck but no ATC posts included?
How come the shock bodies are now plastic?
Plastic belt tensioner?
Plastic spring pirches?
Plastic servo mounts?

With all the cost cutting on the car...you'd think it would be like $299 max.

Geez plastic shock bodies? My 200$ black edition cyclone even had the alum ones.
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Old 08-18-2008, 07:42 AM   #13509
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Shoulda tried that 47 today!
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The motor is a heavy part of your car so you want it as low as possible. raising it will make your car roll to much in turns. Your front top plate will not sit flat if you raise the motor mount up with 2mm washers.

Yeah jag88 ..........We had fun in mod today, I had a broken power wire from the speedo so I didn't have anything for Brett, I found it after the main.

Russ, lucky for Brent ! I was a little burned out plus I thought I'd save some tires for next week.
Lets hope for good weather !
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Old 08-18-2008, 07:42 AM   #13510
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I know HB/HPI reps come in here from time to time, my questions about the new TC.

Why plastic front bumper support?
Why black spring collars?
Why revert to 44mm CVA's?
Why steel turnbuckles?
Why steel hingepins/shock shafts?
Why new topdeck but no ATC posts included?
How come the shock bodies are now plastic?
Plastic belt tensioner?
Plastic spring pirches?
Plastic servo mounts?

With all the cost cutting on the car...you'd think it would be like $299 max.
Its ridiculous!!! THe TC should be around $250 tops! Tamiya Ta05R/IFS kits come with more bling and its barely $250....go figure
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Old 08-18-2008, 08:33 AM   #13511
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I know HB/HPI reps come in here from time to time, my questions about the new TC.

Why plastic front bumper support?
Why black spring collars?
Why revert to 44mm CVA's?
Why steel turnbuckles?
Why steel hingepins/shock shafts?
Why new topdeck but no ATC posts included?
How come the shock bodies are now plastic?
Plastic belt tensioner?
Plastic spring pirches?
Plastic servo mounts?

With all the cost cutting on the car...you'd think it would be like $299 max.
These parts were used to cut the cost of the kit without sacrificing performance. It seems that with all these lower priced parts that the TC kit would come in closer to the $300 mark.

I plan on simply upgrading my current Cyclone with the new improved parts included on the TC. ie - Pro-Spec Diff, A-Arms and perhaps the ATC Topdeck/stand-offs when we go inside on high traction carpet.
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Old 08-18-2008, 12:04 PM   #13512
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Geez plastic shock bodies? My 200$ black edition cyclone even had the alum ones.
i know it! The cyclone S is $119 new and its all plastic, i guess some aluminum bullheads, pro spec diff, the new front diff, and some other little bits triple the price of the kit.

Haha i just found the new TC also uses plastic bearing holders...cmon guys, is there anywhere else you coula cheaped out? Im surprised the bulkheads are alloy
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Old 08-18-2008, 12:53 PM   #13513
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Jeremy Felles has gone over the concerns about the TC kit being "too expensive" for what you get. In reality, all those things you listed are pretty much glitz parts. None of them really have any really huge performance increases to write home about.

What Hot bodies did is improve the suspension arm design, develope an entirely new differential that eliminates the diff screw problem, new improved shock absorbers (which still have aluminum bodies by the way), new ATC capable chassis with more tuning options for the future, improved shock towers and upper bulkheads as well.

Another thing to keep in mind is manufacturing and development costs are always on the rise. The great thing is HB still delivered a top quality car that is an improvement over the WCE, and brought it to the general public at a lower cost.

Jeremy went into a little more detail further back in the thread. Just do a search and he explains it all

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Guys if you think that the TA05R/IFS is better value for money you should go and buy one!

You are kidding yourself if you are comparing the Cyclone TC to it.

If you want to compare cars why not compare the price of the Cyclone TC with real cars like the Corally PHI, TRF 416 (Xray 008, if it floats your boat :P).

The TC5 is cheaper but associated seem to throw their weight around to get cheaper kits out, but i also dont see as many positive comments about it as other top of the line cars.
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Guys if you think that the TA05R/IFS is better value for money you should go and buy one!

You are kidding yourself if you are comparing the Cyclone TC to it.

If you want to compare cars why not compare the price of the Cyclone TC with real cars like the Corally PHI, TRF 416 (Xray 008, if it floats your boat :P).

The TC5 is cheaper but associated seem to throw their weight around to get cheaper kits out, but i also dont see as many positive comments about it as other top of the line cars.
the cyclone TC is the new Cyclone S
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