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Old 12-01-2005, 04:24 PM   #2026
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It would take lab equipment to measure the difference but it has to be there. The TiR CVD's have a lot less rotating mass that has to be accelerated and decelerated.
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Old 12-02-2005, 12:48 PM   #2027
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here i'll weigh in on T2 Xray since im bored

chassis- has got to be heavy with the 20 million extra screws they use for tuning chassis flex. plus the front bulkheads are extra long in the front for no apparent reason (in front of where the sway bar mounts). tuning chassis flex is good for the buyer because its cheaper, but it definately weighs more.

drivetrain- holy crap if only you could use xray drivetrain in a cyclone!!!! (but with 16t center pulleys). those new universals are sick, good to see them drop the 10x15 wheel bearing finally! multi-oneway is nice, but again its heavy. and they act like the one-way spool feature is new or something, its the same as a spool with center oneway (except that the belt doesnt spin under decel with their setup like it would with a center one-way which should actually hurt accel transition performance). again another example of good for buyer bad for performance.
still tho the oneway outdrives and rear diff setup are sweet. then again alum isnt as light as delrin!

shocks- am i missing something or these are the same just shorter right? still external adjust shocks are nice, but i highly doubt they are as smooth as cyclone or tamiya. hahah let me say it again, good for use, bad for performance (tho to a MUCH lesser degree here).

4mm body posts- SWEEEEEET

roll centers- adjusting lower arms still sucks i think mounting all suspenions pickups vertically just cannot be beat but actually xray wins their 2nd performance improvement here (after the awesome universals and front oneway outdrives), this setup is DEFINATELY lighter than cyclone style.
and only having 4 roll center adjustments up frnt isnt very fun. making practical use of shimming at the hub carrier is interesting.

bellcrank- seems like they should have gone cyclone style, instead of std eccentric mounts. idk tossup prolly.



all in all i say a huge upgrade for XRAY fanboi's. compared to the cyclone the only thing it has going for it imo is the univerals and maybe shocks if you like that.

people really miss that the cyclone is about the most optimized for performance sedan you can buy. msx is right there as well, but it seems that center bellcrank is better.

cyclone is extremely light weight and low cg. its definately not as easy to adjust as the new xray (shocks and chassis flex) but what you make up in your labor you should gain in performance.

sure you can argue that the perfomance is so small that most people wont notice and you're prolly right, but its still there.

no digs to xray tho, they've made a huge step and brought some interesting things to the table, i'd just take a cyclone over it every day
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Old 12-02-2005, 04:14 PM   #2028
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AVA WORD!!

This is the HB Cycone thread! We dont want to no about the new Gay Ray!

Cyclone is where its at!!
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Old 12-02-2005, 05:04 PM   #2029
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AVA WORD!!

This is the HB Cycone thread! We dont want to no about the new Gay Ray!

Cyclone is where its at!!
hahah does it count when i talk about the "gay ray" and then say how the cyclone is teh bomb?
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Old 12-02-2005, 05:25 PM   #2030
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AVA WORD!!

This is the HB Cycone thread! We dont want to no about the new Gay Ray!

Cyclone is where its at!!
AMEN brother
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Old 12-02-2005, 05:30 PM   #2031
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hahah does it count when i talk about the "gay ray" and then say how the cyclone is teh bomb?
Lol i mite let you off! Just keep saying the cyclone is ''teh bomb'' and cut out this xray talk! Then werl be winning!

Laters!
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Old 12-03-2005, 05:06 AM   #2032
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Is there a difference between the option drive shafts or is it just packaging?

HB-61043 44mm HD Universal Drive Shaft (Front)
HB-61044 44mm HD Universal Drive Shaft (Rear)
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Old 12-03-2005, 09:12 AM   #2033
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Lol i mite let you off! Just keep saying the cyclone is ''teh bomb'' and cut out this xray talk! Then werl be winning!

Laters!
Yeah !! Cyclone Rules

but really the new T2 it's just a wannebee Cyclone & MSX and it's so ugly that you always want to keep the shell on even when you are changing youre spur

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Old 12-03-2005, 09:37 AM   #2034
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Today report
HK 2005 Nat's
Hara & Miura used RP36 tire & wheel
was TQ & 3rd
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Old 12-03-2005, 09:42 AM   #2035
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& all HK Team HB Cyclone driver & some Yokomo driver used RP tire with more grip !
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Old 12-03-2005, 09:42 AM   #2036
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Old 12-03-2005, 09:44 AM   #2037
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Old 12-03-2005, 02:33 PM   #2038
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Is there a difference between the option drive shafts or is it just packaging?

HB-61043 44mm HD Universal Drive Shaft (Front)
HB-61044 44mm HD Universal Drive Shaft (Rear)
I'm assuming the front ones are slightly thicker making it more durable since the front end takes the most abuse and impact.. but that doesn't mead you can't use the rears for the front.. since they are both the same size.
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Anyone knows if other brands steel driveshafts will fit. Need a replacement and my order might not make it before the weekend.
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