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Old 10-21-2010, 05:15 AM   #19456
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Hi guys, I recently got myself a used HB Cyclone (as far as I know, it's just the Cyclone or is it the Cyclone TC?)
It has a 64p spur gear but Ive been told it's much more common to use a 48p gear. Does anybody know where I can get 48p gears for it? I live in Australia BTW, but I can get it from anywhere really. I do most of my RC Shopping from AMain anyway!
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Old 10-21-2010, 05:17 AM   #19457
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If you order from A-main already I'd say stick with 64P. No one out here is running 48P that I know of.
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Old 10-21-2010, 05:31 AM   #19458
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Errrr noone probably replied because you get 48p pinion and spur gears pretty much from any hobby shop which sells RC equipment.

You should really be asking what size spur and pinion you need, which you should be able to calculate from gearchart.com based on what you are currently using.

It used to be an 81T was the largest 48 pitch spur you could put into a cyclone. But with brushless motors these days you are probably looking for a spur around from anywhere around 66-72T.

Common pinion ranges which racers like to get are probably from around 22-32t I think the largest pinion i ever had was a 42 or was it 44.

Australian tracks are generally outdoors asphalt and can often have little rocks or grit on them. Its very rare to see people running 64p or at least it is in sydney.
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Old 10-21-2010, 04:33 PM   #19459
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Thanks for the help, I guess I may as well just continue using 64p gears.

Can I ask, when tuning the gears for the track, what am I looking for? Do I pretty much tune it to the temp of the motor so I have good acceleration, but not overdo the motor? Im new to electrics but "semi-pro" with nitro onroad
What temps would 540 and 17.5 be in the range of? Thanks guys.
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48p and 64p gears here

We have lots of customers from Oz
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Old 10-21-2010, 08:30 PM   #19461
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Thanks for the help, I guess I may as well just continue using 64p gears.

Can I ask, when tuning the gears for the track, what am I looking for? Do I pretty much tune it to the temp of the motor so I have good acceleration, but not overdo the motor? Im new to electrics but "semi-pro" with nitro onroad
What temps would 540 and 17.5 be in the range of? Thanks guys.

Here are a few pointers from the Tekin site.
* Motor temperature can be affected by adjusting motor timing and by adjusting gearing. As a rule, drivers tend to get better performance by using more Timing Advance and less gearing when using Wye wound motors like Tekin’s Redline Sensored series. The Delta wound Redline Sensorless motors don’t like a lot of Timing Advance.

* All Motors, including Tekin Motors, tend to lose strength in the magnet at high temperatures. When the magnet loses strength it shows up as a loss of speed. Monitor your motor temp with a temp gun, place a small piece of black tape on the aluminum can to improve accuracy of the readings.

* If you see more than 180 degrees F on the motor, possibly your timing is too advanced or you are overgeared. Try adjusting timing advance back slightly first.

* Until you are seeing temps of about 160 degrees F on the motor, you are not pulling much power and are possibly not running enough timing or are undergeared. Try advancing timing first.

* Another way to generate heat is through commutation loss. A high turn motor turns more RPMs than a low turn motor therefore it commutates more. This means that even with no load, a low turn motor will gerentae more heat than a high turn motor.
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Could somebody tell me if possible using Sakura Zero gear diff in TC, then use 38T pulley with old Cyclone WC's belts, please?

If really necessary use shafts of other car due the different length since the outer joint of gear diff could be different length than the original TC diff's one, please?

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48p and 64p gears here

We have lots of customers from Oz
Thanks heaps for that, you'll definitely be getting me placing gear orders there!!

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Here are a few pointers from the Tekin site.
* Motor temperature can be affected by adjusting motor timing and by adjusting gearing. As a rule, drivers tend to get better performance by using more Timing Advance and less gearing when using Wye wound motors like Tekinís Redline Sensored series. The Delta wound Redline Sensorless motors donít like a lot of Timing Advance.

* All Motors, including Tekin Motors, tend to lose strength in the magnet at high temperatures. When the magnet loses strength it shows up as a loss of speed. Monitor your motor temp with a temp gun, place a small piece of black tape on the aluminum can to improve accuracy of the readings.

* If you see more than 180 degrees F on the motor, possibly your timing is too advanced or you are overgeared. Try adjusting timing advance back slightly first.

* Until you are seeing temps of about 160 degrees F on the motor, you are not pulling much power and are possibly not running enough timing or are undergeared. Try advancing timing first.

* Another way to generate heat is through commutation loss. A high turn motor turns more RPMs than a low turn motor therefore it commutates more. This means that even with no load, a low turn motor will gerentae more heat than a high turn motor.
Thanks for that, thankgod I have a temp gun!
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how do people find the kit setup for the TC?
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Could somebody tell me if possible using Sakura Zero gear diff in TC, then use 38T pulley with old Cyclone WC's belts, please?

If really necessary use shafts of other car due the different length since the outer joint of gear diff could be different length than the original TC diff's one, please?

Best regards
Sakura Bulkheads are closer together than the TC would need a lot of work we have tried as would love to drop them in the TC but we would love to know if anyboday has found it at all possible too.
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Sakura Bulkheads are closer together than the TC would need a lot of work we have tried as would love to drop them in the TC but we would love to know if anyboday has found it at all possible too.
Oh, shame, But if ust the 3racing diff is just narrower, i think if add enough shim could be usable, isn't it?
I just want know also if is possible use YOKOMO BD5 gear diff (Spec-r or YOKOMO original) could fit in TC or not, please?

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hi guys

i'm using a spec-r tam in my cyclone tc for quit a while now and it works awesome
you need to space your bearing 2mm inside left and right
i did that whit an old shock clip from 2mm than you only need to shim the diff 2 mm +-
further parts used,
-old cyclone belts from the first cyclone
-tam drive shafts and blades
tam diff pulley

fits perfectly and runs awesome no need to do diff rebuilts

grt benny

ps does anyone perhaps korey or hiro know if there are some steel drive shafts underway from hb?
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hi guys

i'm using a spec-r tam in my cyclone tc for quit a while now and it works awesome
you need to space your bearing 2mm inside left and right
i did that whit an old shock clip from 2mm than you only need to shim the diff 2 mm +-
further parts used,
-old cyclone belts from the first cyclone
-tam drive shafts and blades
tam diff pulley

fits perfectly and runs awesome no need to do diff rebuilts

grt benny

ps does anyone perhaps korey or hiro know if there are some steel drive shafts underway from hb?
OK then, but i prefer using both diffs instead using spool in front, in fact i prefer use super thick diff oil in front diff.
Well, if spec-r 416 diff is also narrow for cyclone TC, with many shims, then 3racing diff could fit in 416 but not in cyclone, this is so confuse for me.
Why not put also many shims with 3racing diff as well?

And another thing, i heard Spec R will release geardiff for TCX, isn't it?
When will be then if TCX and TC's diff are compatible or not?

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OK then, but i prefer using both diffs instead using spool in front, in fact i prefer use super thick diff oil in front diff.
Well, if spec-r 416 diff is also narrow for cyclone TC, with many shims, then 3racing diff could fit in 416 but not in cyclone, this is so confuse for me.
Why not put also many shims with 3racing diff as well?

And another thing, i heard Spec R will release geardiff for TCX, isn't it?
When will be then if TCX and TC's diff are compatible or not?

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you can easely use a diff in front then just space the bearings like in the rear!

don't know the size of sakura diff spec-r is what i'm running you could try a sakura diff

i heard about the tcxdiff don't know when it will be available

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Any one know where I can get a spool or solid front axle for the cyclone? What about the one from Cyclone TC? is that the one that converts from one way to spool? thanks for the help.I will never get rid of my Cyclone.And how about stocking up on parts, almost every place is almost out of replacements for this car....why?
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