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Old 02-11-2010, 07:46 AM   #18496
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Issue off power loose:

Tires Cs27

Front
Orange Serpent springs (19.5)
35wt Losi oil 3 hole 1.1
4 position on front tower
1.4 front sway bar
1.5 front toe block
1.5mm under all front suspension blocks.
4mm ackerm
3mm spacer under front camber tie rod
1.5 of camber
5mm ride height
-1 toe
Droop 6mm
Ride height: 5mm

Rear
silver springs
35wt AE oil
3 hole pistons
4 on the shock tower
1.2 rear sway bar
3.0 rear block
droop 5mm
1.5 mm shims under all suspension blocks.
rear hub spacers 2.0 in front 0.75 in rear
1 mm spacer under rear camber tie rod
2.0nn in front of arms 0.75 in the rear
2 degrees of camber
5.5mm ride height
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Old 02-11-2010, 08:39 AM   #18497
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is your rear droop over ride height? if so i would think taking some out would keep the car from getting on the nose when the weight transfers
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Old 02-11-2010, 08:43 AM   #18498
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is your rear droop over ride height? if so i would think taking some out would keep the car from getting on the nose when the weight transfers
Off topic..kinda...how are those Sweep tires compared to Sorex?
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Old 02-11-2010, 09:38 AM   #18499
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is your rear droop over ride height? if so i would think taking some out would keep the car from getting on the nose when the weight transfers
Turn the droop screws IN or OUT lol
and I measured the droop using droop block not over ride height...
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Old 02-11-2010, 03:05 PM   #18500
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Off topic..kinda...how are those Sweep tires compared to Sorex?
Given the choice I would go with sorex, I find the sweeps a little bit unpredictabl on the edge. Sorex32 seem to work in just about every situation.
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Old 02-11-2010, 03:09 PM   #18501
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Issue off power loose:

Tires Cs27

Front
Orange Serpent springs (19.5)
35wt Losi oil 3 hole 1.1
4 position on front tower
1.4 front sway bar
1.5 front toe block
1.5mm under all front suspension blocks.
4mm ackerm
3mm spacer under front camber tie rod
1.5 of camber
5mm ride height
-1 toe
Droop 6mm
Ride height: 5mm

Rear
silver springs
35wt AE oil
3 hole pistons
4 on the shock tower
1.2 rear sway bar
3.0 rear block
droop 5mm
1.5 mm shims under all suspension blocks.
rear hub spacers 2.0 in front 0.75 in rear
1 mm spacer under rear camber tie rod
2.0nn in front of arms 0.75 in the rear
2 degrees of camber
5.5mm ride height
I ve had a similar issue, the xray guide recommends more akerman effect- less spacers, I ve not tried this but its what I will be trying next week. May be give that a shot?
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Old 02-11-2010, 03:14 PM   #18502
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I am not one for the new car talk.......but what would you like on the new or next generation cyclone, for me:

Lipo Chassis ( exotek style...maybe)

Motor mount some thing like mi4 to keep tweak equal side to side and extra adjustment for weight balence, even better if this could be a 'mod' for curennt chassis

More tunabilty for suspension blocks, may be new hole in chassis but also hole so that currennt blocks would fit.

That would be it for me
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Old 02-11-2010, 03:22 PM   #18503
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Given the choice I would go with sorex, I find the sweeps a little bit unpredictabl on the edge. Sorex32 seem to work in just about every situation.
Thankyou sir!
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Old 02-11-2010, 06:16 PM   #18504
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I am not one for the new car talk.......but what would you like on the new or next generation cyclone, for me:

Lipo Chassis ( exotek style...maybe)

Motor mount some thing like mi4 to keep tweak equal side to side and extra adjustment for weight balence, even better if this could be a 'mod' for curennt chassis

More tunabilty for suspension blocks, may be new hole in chassis but also hole so that currennt blocks would fit.

That would be it for me
Hopefully a better battery holder than the Exotek, as it's impossible to get my Turnigys sat right.

So i'm now in a position where i have to.
a/ Buy new batteries even though the Turnigys work fantastic
b/ Go back to the stock chassis and batttery tape
c/ Cut up my brand new Exotek chassis

To make matters worse every position is max'd out to get the battery in, so i now have absolutely no room to adjust the weight balance.

So if HB do bring out a LiPo chassis fingers crossed they do their home work and take into account the size of batteries that are likely to come out in the next year or 2, rather than be max'd out on every adjustment straight from the off.



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Old 02-12-2010, 05:48 AM   #18505
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here is my setup i used the other night for carpet

Front:
Spring: HPI White
Oil: Schumacher 45wt
Piston: HB 1.1mm 3 hole
Shock position: 3 on tower, 1 on arm
Camber: 2.0 deg
Camber Link position: long
Shims under camber link: 3mm
Caster: 4 deg
Suspension blocks: 1.5 degree toe block/standard FR
Shims under suspension blocks: 1.5mm
Droop: 5mm
Ride height: 5mm
Swaybar: 1.4mm, with 2mm gap on TC swaybar link
Wheelbase: 2.7 in front of arm
Wheel Hex: std

Rear:
Spring: HPI Silver
Oil: Schumacher 45wt
Piston: HB 1.1mm 3 hole
Shock position: 4 on tower and 3 on arm
Camber: 1.5 deg
Camber Link Position: Std
Shims under camber link: 2mm
Rear Toe Block: 3 deg
Shims under toe/suspension blocks: 1.5mm
Droop: 5mm
Ride Height: 5mm
Swaybar: None
Wheelbase: 2mm in front of arm, .7 behind. 2mm in front of hub carrier, .7 behind.
Wheel hex: standard with 2mm shims each side

Other:
Cut top deck
FRP Mid deck (not cut)
Steering bellcrank shim: 4mm
Tires: Sorex 24R's
Body: HB Mazda 6

Also used the old cyclone/pro 4 plastic suspensions arms

Medium-High grip carpet , no additive , tyre warmers

I had so much grip at both ends it was great but when i finished the final i noticed the front tyres was alot more worn and hot than the rear , maybe i could have used a touch more grip mid corner and corner exit at the rear

any ideas ?
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Old 02-12-2010, 06:52 AM   #18506
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here is my setup i used the other night for carpet

Front:
Spring: HPI White
Oil: Schumacher 45wt
Piston: HB 1.1mm 3 hole
Shock position: 3 on tower, 1 on arm
Camber: 2.0 deg
Camber Link position: long
Shims under camber link: 3mm
Caster: 4 deg
Suspension blocks: 1.5 degree toe block/standard FR
Shims under suspension blocks: 1.5mm
Droop: 5mm
Ride height: 5mm
Swaybar: 1.4mm, with 2mm gap on TC swaybar link
Wheelbase: 2.7 in front of arm
Wheel Hex: std

Rear:
Spring: HPI Silver
Oil: Schumacher 45wt
Piston: HB 1.1mm 3 hole
Shock position: 4 on tower and 3 on arm
Camber: 1.5 deg
Camber Link Position: Std
Shims under camber link: 2mm
Rear Toe Block: 3 deg
Shims under toe/suspension blocks: 1.5mm
Droop: 5mm
Ride Height: 5mm
Swaybar: None
Wheelbase: 2mm in front of arm, .7 behind. 2mm in front of hub carrier, .7 behind.
Wheel hex: standard with 2mm shims each side

Other:
Cut top deck
FRP Mid deck (not cut)
Steering bellcrank shim: 4mm
Tires: Sorex 24R's
Body: HB Mazda 6

Also used the old cyclone/pro 4 plastic suspensions arms

Medium-High grip carpet , no additive , tyre warmers

I had so much grip at both ends it was great but when i finished the final i noticed the front tyres was alot more worn and hot than the rear , maybe i could have used a touch more grip mid corner and corner exit at the rear

any ideas ?
I ve got a little to much grip where you have to little!!! Main differneces looking at you set-up- 1.2 rear sway bar, Cut Rear Deck, hole 3 on shock tower, 7mm on droop gauge on front: may be try some them to get the grip up?
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Old 02-12-2010, 10:17 AM   #18507
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yeh but the rear seems ok set at this , the front is the problem
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Old 02-12-2010, 12:15 PM   #18508
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You have to remember, there is only a set amount of traction available to your car, so usually changing one end affects the other. If you stiffen the rear (sway bar) it will reduce traction at that end, therefore increasing it at the other, and so on and so forth.
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Old 02-12-2010, 02:12 PM   #18509
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Hello Korey I ask you a question:
How many degrees of steering used on asphalt and carpet.
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