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Old 10-04-2009, 11:41 PM   #17566
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hey rodney ur on the wrong page buddy what up ru coming to rockhill
Yeah Reg missed the Nats so I will be there for the series race for sure.

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Old 10-05-2009, 05:08 AM   #17567
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Hiro has tried that combo in the past and liked it in high grip conditions. He wasn't sure what the exact difference was, but the car was a tick faster for him. I personally haven't tried it. I haven't really had a need to do so lol.

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Paved NATS was fun, traction was really really really high. Traction roll during 3rd and 4th Qual missed the show by 2 points.

RCfreak and I were running WCE chassis and we were running high roll center. Then we decided to tried low roll center and got rid of traction roll by 90%
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Old 10-05-2009, 06:05 AM   #17568
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Can someone do me a favor. Take some measurements of the dogbones/axles for me.
Looking for DCJ driveshafts for Photon?
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Old 10-05-2009, 08:37 AM   #17569
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What do you not like about the cyclone s? I was looking at getting one for my wife to run, as she is actually expressing interest in touring cars. Possibly looking at one as well for a vta car. Would I do better to just wait and try to find a decent cyclone tc or Moore speed? I've never ran a car that didn't have a carbon fiber chassis, so is it really that big of a difference? I'd still be inclined to say that for the price of the cyclone s, it seems to be a great car!
Now that I'm trying to think of a reason for you, I'm finding that it's more difficult than I thought it was going to be. My initial thought focused on the upgraded parts included with the TC (chassis, bulkheads, drive train). After thinking about it. It's probably better that I started out with the S. I have been slowly upgrading these parts as I break them or I get faster and there becomes a need for the upgrade. You are correct when you say that for the price the S it is a great car. It allowed me to do what I'm sure the people at Hot Bodies intended, and that was to get into RC racing with a car that is competitive right out of the box at a lower initial cost. So, with that I guess I retract my previous statement and say that the Cyclone S is and has been a great starter car for me, and it's perfect for VTA
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Old 10-05-2009, 09:19 AM   #17570
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Paved NATS was fun, traction was really really really high. Traction roll during 3rd and 4th Qual missed the show by 2 points.

RCfreak and I were running WCE chassis and we were running high roll center. Then we decided to tried low roll center and got rid of traction roll by 90%
Yes, I think you did go right way. Normally when the car is traction rolling, you should go softer or lower the roll center.

As for the TC shock tower/WCE bulkhead combo, i have tried the combo and got very good result on high bite as Korey mentioned.
I believe the key is the piston position. It always feels quicker reaction when i use the combo....
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Can someone do me a favor. Take some measurements of the dogbones/axles for me.

I would like to know the distance from where the axle rides on the inner bearing to the center of the pin that holds the hex on, also the distance from where the axle rides on the inner bearing to the middle of the ball on the dogbone.

Also the diameter of the ball on the end of the dogbone and the diameter of the pin on the dogbone.

If someone could post or pm those measurements I would greatly appreciate it.
From inner bearing to center of hex pin = 11.25mm

From inner bearing to middle of ball = 48.5mm

Diameter of ball on dogbone = 6.25mm

Diameter of pin on dogbone = 2.5mm

These are measurements from a CVD. The DCJ should be the same.
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Old 10-05-2009, 09:38 AM   #17572
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Old 10-05-2009, 11:31 AM   #17573
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are there many differences between the TC and the regular cyclone?

(NOT the cyclone S, btw)

i know obvious diffrences are the Pro Diff and purple parts. Anything else significant, worth mentioning?
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Old 10-05-2009, 11:38 AM   #17574
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are there many differences between the TC and the regular cyclone?

(NOT the cyclone S, btw)

i know obvious diffrences are the Pro Diff and purple parts. Anything else significant, worth mentioning?
The Pullies are 18t instead of 16t, the chassis are different as well...the lower chassis on the TC uses the plastic battery holders, while the top deck has provisions for more chassis stiffening like the S. The shock towers are also lower with more mounting positions. Arms are also different. Last, the upper bulkheads have less mounting position holes for the upper camber links.
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Old 10-05-2009, 12:10 PM   #17575
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Yes, I think you did go right way. Normally when the car is traction rolling, you should go softer or lower the roll center.

As for the TC shock tower/WCE bulkhead combo, i have tried the combo and got very good result on high bite as Korey mentioned.
I believe the key is the piston position. It always feels quicker reaction when i use the combo....

I read a few setup guides, most saying uses high roll center to avoid the traction roll.

I start using the old rear shock tower about 2 mos ago. Because when I tried to copy the setup from my 1st generation cyclone to my Andy WCE I noticed that I couldn't get the rear shock to position like my 1st gen cyclone was.

I had a spare old tower so I swapped it out and use it on my WCE since. I'm with Hi-LowBlow, if high bite go with lower shock tower - RCFREAK can 2nd that
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Old 10-05-2009, 12:40 PM   #17576
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I thought that all the non-TC towers kept geometry the same and that some just added more upper shock mounting locations and were a bit thicker? I wasn't aware that the WCE and original (5-hole) rear towers varied in height.

Aren't the TC towers the only towers that are lower do to the new higher TC bulkheads?
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Old 10-05-2009, 01:03 PM   #17577
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The Pullies are 18t instead of 16t, the chassis are different as well...the lower chassis on the TC uses the plastic battery holders, while the top deck has provisions for more chassis stiffening like the S. The shock towers are also lower with more mounting positions. Arms are also different. Last, the upper bulkheads have less mounting position holes for the upper camber links.
ok, not that bad...

i'm in the middle of dealing away my zx5 sp for a touring car... just can't decide which car to get. i got a trade offer for a cyclone (but it's not a TC). I also have a lead on a mr4-bd (not bd5).

what i really want is a mi4
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just found my own answer, straight from the HB website:

The Cyclone TC includes a wide range of improvements:

* Pro Spec Ball Diff in rear
* HB Two-Way front one-way/spool
* Larger 18T centre pulleys
* FRP middle block deck for increased rear traction
* Revised main chassis for improved weight distribution
* Altered upper deck with provisions for HB ATC (Adjustable Torsion Control) posts
* Stronger upper bulkheads for improved crash protection
* Thicker low-mount shock towers to fit extra-low bodyshells
* New reversible suspension arms with more suspension mount options
* Easy-adjust sway bar holders for fast fine-tuning
* Moulded battery tray for easy fitting of batteries
* Extra-efficient universal dogbones
* Fantastic lower price
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I read a few setup guides, most saying uses high roll center to avoid the traction roll.

I start using the old rear shock tower about 2 mos ago. Because when I tried to copy the setup from my 1st generation cyclone to my Andy WCE I noticed that I couldn't get the rear shock to position like my 1st gen cyclone was.

I had a spare old tower so I swapped it out and use it on my WCE since. I'm with Hi-LowBlow, if high bite go with lower shock tower - RCFREAK can 2nd that
i think you have stumbled on to a "great" tuning option while at the Nats.. perhaps gonna try the TC version towers, i may have extra set... gotta look into this... im pretty sure moving the piston into the shock has a different performance.

We have experienced softening the car during high traction condtion will help the car... we also went from pink to silver springs on the fronts, that helped a lot. Oh yeah more tuning this weekend!!!
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Old 10-05-2009, 03:20 PM   #17580
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has anyone seen the new Exotec HBX lipo chassis for the Cyclone
http://exotekracing.com/EXOTEK_NEWS/.../9/30_HBX.html

What are your thoughts on this chassis? thinner chassis plate but less cut outs?
from what i can tell its not forsale to the public yet but wondered if anyone has seen this chassis or has done some testing for it?
Here is footage from a recent friendly race while running the Exotek HBX chassis in the yellow car....
http://gallery.me.com/iigq4u#100552
Car was super locked in while driving on a medium grip temporary track against factory drivers.
Thanks to IIGQ4U for the footage.
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