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Old 09-30-2009, 01:29 AM   #17521
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I run the alloy uprights on my TC, as there was a bad batch of rear up rights, that were showing i think around about .5 degree toe difference from side to side
I think all the hubs that came with the kit are bad. I am not sure how to identify which are good and which are bad, perhaps Hiro can help. The hubs that came with my kit showed close to 1 degree difference between left and right.
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Old 09-30-2009, 05:08 AM   #17522
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Hi can some one tel me the spring rates of HPI [hot bodies] I resintly got a new tc and i got gold and silver springs with the kit.. and how it compaer with XRAY spring sets

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Old 09-30-2009, 07:58 AM   #17523
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hey just a quick question on the version 3 spool. Are the optional pom outdrives plastic or steel? they look plastic as there looks like a cover to slide over the outdrive but just wanted to clarify.
They are a type of delrin. It's the same material that is used in the standard kit rear diff outdrives in the TC kit. They work great!
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Old 09-30-2009, 09:59 AM   #17524
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Hi can some one tel me the spring rates of HPI [hot bodies] I resintly got a new tc and i got gold and silver springs with the kit.. and how it compaer with XRAY spring sets

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Old 09-30-2009, 10:27 AM   #17525
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Where have you been Peter??
We don't do much asphalt racing around here, so I've been keeping busy running the D8 during the summer. Braaaapp!! Man, that's fun!

I've put that on the shelf and I'm dusting off the TC.
Our indoor carpet season starts up this week.
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Old 09-30-2009, 09:21 PM   #17526
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I've read through about 50 previous pages with no luck, but what lipo packs wil fit without the lipo conversion or any type of modifying? I should have my cyclone tc the beginning of next week so I'd like to go ahead and get me a lipo ordered as well! Beginner question here, the only tc i've owned was a t2 and I've only had it for about a month. When I got it, it came with the lipo,esc/motor and servo. It was already balanced left to right. Are the small weights that the previous owner used to balance it the best thing out there to use or is there something better? I'd like to do the cyclone right so if there's something out there that I can use to balance it better I'd like to know about it.
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Old 10-01-2009, 02:29 AM   #17527
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@AndysD8 I use a SMC 4000 35c pack wich is thinner than my SMC5000 packs, and that fits with no mods at all. The taller packs you just have to dremmel 1mm of the bottom off the mount..hope that helps.
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Old 10-01-2009, 02:37 AM   #17528
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They are a type of delrin. It's the same material that is used in the standard kit rear diff outdrives in the TC kit. They work great!
Thats good then. How do they hold up for wear?? as i like the feel of plastic diffs it gives almost a more gripped up smooth feeling and a positive is that you wear them you change them not like clips!! you break one you replace the diff!! but i had been running a slipper spool but couldn't get it tight enough because the plastic diffs give a tad when you load them!! but when you have a proper spool omg the brakes and pull out of the corner are so much better!!
But i find the steel outdrives sort of chatter a little and entry into the corner is a bit rough even when you don't have any chatter in cvd's.
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Hey guys

the outdoors gas offroad season is coming to an end, time to race rubber on carpet again at the end of the month and put the Hara Cyclone back to winning condition after its last race early april '09. I've kind of lost track of the changes available to the Cyclone in the recent months. What are the recent "must have" that I need to order? My car is a Hara Ed, with pro-spec diff. No intention whatsoever to go to the TC

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@AndysD8 I use a SMC 4000 35c pack wich is thinner than my SMC5000 packs, and that fits with no mods at all. The taller packs you just have to dremmel 1mm of the bottom off the mount..hope that helps.
That definately helps! A pack that will fit with no mods, plus it won't break the bank either!!
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Thats good then. How do they hold up for wear?? as i like the feel of plastic diffs it gives almost a more gripped up smooth feeling and a positive is that you wear them you change them not like clips!! you break one you replace the diff!! but i had been running a slipper spool but couldn't get it tight enough because the plastic diffs give a tad when you load them!! but when you have a proper spool omg the brakes and pull out of the corner are so much better!!
But i find the steel outdrives sort of chatter a little and entry into the corner is a bit rough even when you don't have any chatter in cvd's.
They Hold up extremely well when used as s diff outdrive, but they do seem to wear a little faster when used for a outdrive cup on a spool. They aren't as durable either (obviously). So you'll have to make a judgment call. Everytime I've used them, my car had a little more steering throughout the corner. I'm thinking because it's lighter, there isn't as much gyroscopic effect allowing the front to roll a little quicker/more. I'm not 100% on this though.

Your comment about chatter has me thinking though. Typically when we use the steel outdrives, we use the MIP CVD's up front. These have a little more sloop right around where it fits into the bearings so it gives the driveshafts a little room to move around. It seems to reduce the amount of chatter that occurs when the car is driving on the track (but not really when it's up in the air). With the POM outdrive cups, they have a little more slop in their joints in comparison to steel counterparts. So to have juuuuust the right amount of overall slop, we like to use the ver 2 universals that come in the TC kit.

I use the POM outdrive and ver 2 universal combo if I want the best performance. I use the MIP CVD and steel outdrive combo for better durability (usually in mod). I have not tried the new DCJ driveshafts though. When I get them, I will be using steel outdrives though.

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Hey guys thanks for the info on the uprights. I'll try the graphite ones and see how they hold up.
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Anyone hunting DCJ's can snag some at AMainHobbies right now.

I will have a set for my next race (Rubber/Carpet) and will post some information.
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They Hold up extremely well when used as s diff outdrive, but they do seem to wear a little faster when used for a outdrive cup on a spool. They aren't as durable either (obviously). So you'll have to make a judgment call. Everytime I've used them, my car had a little more steering throughout the corner. I'm thinking because it's lighter, there isn't as much gyroscopic effect allowing the front to roll a little quicker/more. I'm not 100% on this though.

Your comment about chatter has me thinking though. Typically when we use the steel outdrives, we use the MIP CVD's up front. These have a little more sloop right around where it fits into the bearings so it gives the driveshafts a little room to move around. It seems to reduce the amount of chatter that occurs when the car is driving on the track (but not really when it's up in the air). With the POM outdrive cups, they have a little more slop in their joints in comparison to steel counterparts. So to have juuuuust the right amount of overall slop, we like to use the ver 2 universals that come in the TC kit.

I use the POM outdrive and ver 2 universal combo if I want the best performance. I use the MIP CVD and steel outdrive combo for better durability (usually in mod). I have not tried the new DCJ driveshafts though. When I get them, I will be using steel outdrives though.

-Korey
I believe that when setting up a car there is traits between things being stiff and things having give or being flexy!! but it is hard to find the right combo of flex in all components. Now i personally don't like to much flex in the decks. but i like soft arms and plastic outdrives. this allows more corner speed and direct feel from the stiffer decks and the softer drive train allows a little more on and off power grip as there is a touch of give under hard loads. but i do like flex in the deck side to side but not front to back as i go for the 2.5mm rear deck cut and the 3mm front deck cut right up to the steering mount. this is giving me a good balance and i bring in more steering by dropping the roll centres as this lets the car really use the tyres! but the right goop combo is also very important but that is my thoughts, just something to think about but my car is one of the fastest cyclones in aus at the moment. And feels better than all my other cars!!
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