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Old 07-25-2009, 02:33 PM   #16996
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Thanks Korey, that's the one thing I haven't tried yet ( raising the roll centers ).
I put the posts in and found an old graphite rear deck so lets hope the higher roll centers do the trick.
I pretty much only run on high bite carpet...

1mm under all of the blocks for roll center...
Silver sway bar in the rear
60Wt (Losi) oil up front with 1.1 pistons
40Wt (Losi) oil in the rear with 1.1 pistons
camber links angled up front and pretty flat in the rear.
2deg camber all the way around.
1.5mm droop front and rear over ride height (sounds like a small amount but the car loves it)
3deg block in the rear
1.5mm front sweep (1.5 block up front)
Jaco blues
1-6-2-0 on my TC spec (The drag break has a big affect over corner speed, so play with this until you find something you like)
Jack the gripper Rear full; front 1/3 inside


hope this helps if you want more specific setup please let me know I can post one.
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Old 07-25-2009, 02:36 PM   #16997
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lipo conversion?
after a fair amount of testing the LIPO top deck conversion seems to work very well. The overall affect to the car is nominal, but it sure does let SMC 5200 C-max batteries fit without any issue (with room to spare).
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Old 07-25-2009, 02:52 PM   #16998
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Nope. Traction was pretty dang good despite using those horrid tires... So there wasn't much need to cut the rear deck.

-Korey

Better watch what you say about those tire's. I don't want you receiving the same pm's I got after the Reedy The Speedworld cup was the bomb bro. The tire's that were actually picked for the Reedy worked awesome. If people were happy with the other brand.....they would have loved these. Price was $7 cheaper and they can be used for normal club racing after the event. But don't listen to me since it was stated that I sabotage races by speaking the truth
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Old 07-25-2009, 05:01 PM   #16999
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I pretty much only run on high bite carpet...

1mm under all of the blocks for roll center...
Silver sway bar in the rear
60Wt (Losi) oil up front with 1.1 pistons
40Wt (Losi) oil in the rear with 1.1 pistons
camber links angled up front and pretty flat in the rear.
2deg camber all the way around.
1.5mm droop front and rear over ride height (sounds like a small amount but the car loves it)
3deg block in the rear
1.5mm front sweep (1.5 block up front)
Jaco blues
1-6-2-0 on my TC spec (The drag break has a big affect over corner speed, so play with this until you find something you like)
Jack the gripper Rear full; front 1/3 inside


hope this helps if you want more specific setup please let me know I can post one.

Artwork, my set up :

1.5 mm frt roll center spacers, 1 mm rear
Silver bar front, no bar rear
50 frt / 45 rear AE oil, 1.1 pistons
2mm frt camber link spacer, inside inner hole
2mm rear camber link spacer, 1mm on hub ( rear link inner is in one hole from most inner position. outter rear link on outter most hole on hub )
1.5 mm droop all around
3 deg rear toe
1.5 front hindge pin sweep
Jaco blue, full Jack front and back

I ran the rear link in the inner most hole and outter most hole on hub with a 2mm spacer on the inside and a 1 mm on the outside. I did this as a desperation move to lock the back end in and BOY it did just that ... too much so that I moved the inner mount out one hole.
This seemed to help.

I think Korey's advise to raise the roll centers is good. I plan to go to 2.5 mm spacers in the front and 2 mm in the rear for staters.

Thanks for posting your set up.
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Old 07-25-2009, 09:06 PM   #17000
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I'm back-- After fighting with my xcar for the past month I'm done with it.Today after running(fighting)the xray for 2 rounds,
I said enough- put the cyclone (which hadn't seen the track for a while) down on old tires-for the 3rd- I just smiled-ended up winning my main=x ray now for saleHad a look a the photons also-- 2 cars went thru 4 spools==issues.Think I will stay in the cyclone for a while-- and smile again
Now where are the parts??lol
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Old 07-26-2009, 02:13 AM   #17001
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Thanks for your input Art. Its been a while since I have run on really high traction carpet, so any input from people that have experienced it more recently is always helpful.

Jag88- Let us know what you think of the change. I know a lot of people struggled with the car on extremely high bite carpet on rubber tires at some of the bigger races. I remember Sean Williams, another HB driver had success with a setup that used 3mm under the suspension blocks. So I figured it might be a sound suggestion to at least try it.

STLNLST - I guess "horrid" might be a little harsh. I feel they were less than ideal though. They worked fine the first run, but they sure did wear out fast. I think the race I liked most was 2007 Paved nats at SIR. The RP 36 was a DIALED tire at SIR. They usually got better as you used them!

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Hi Guys! I have been converted from 1/8th Truggy nitro to 1/10th on road with the Cyclone TC with a certain amount of success and loving it. My Dad is tearing his hair out (he dosen't have much to start with) trying to set up the steering curve, as the car is very sensitive and twitchy. We have tried all different settings but it would appear to not be working. Have reset the VR etc etc. We have spoken to other Helios users and they say they are experiencing the same problem. I also have my Dad's KO PROPO Mars 2000R limited edition (#0169) which works fine, although my hands are too big for it. I am using the Spektrum 2.4 Module and Receiver. Can anybody using this system please help with settings as here in the UK the main distributor is in the process of changing from Horizon Hobby to RC-Disco so it will take time to get the required info. Please HELP!!
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Hi Guys! I have been converted from 1/8th Truggy nitro to 1/10th on road with the Cyclone TC with a certain amount of success and loving it. My Dad is tearing his hair out (he dosen't have much to start with) trying to set up the steering curve, as the car is very sensitive and twitchy. We have tried all different settings but it would appear to not be working. Have reset the VR etc etc. We have spoken to other Helios users and they say they are experiencing the same problem. I also have my Dad's KO PROPO Mars 2000R limited edition (#0169) which works fine, although my hands are too big for it. I am using the Spektrum 2.4 Module and Receiver. Can anybody using this system please help with settings as here in the UK the main distributor is in the process of changing from Horizon Hobby to RC-Disco so it will take time to get the required info. Please HELP!!
did you try going with negative steering exp?? or steering curve in the KO world?

that's what I usually do when I have a car that's just a little too twitchy Actually pretty much all my cars I start with -5% curve and adjust from there
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Old 07-26-2009, 11:15 AM   #17004
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Hi all;

I have a Cyclone, and i have a question.

¿What is the difference between the diferent FF suspension blocks ?

More open (2,5º) ¿more stering? ¿fast response?
Less open (1.0º) ¿less stering? ¿low response?

Thanks

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did you try going with negative steering exp?? or steering curve in the KO world?

that's what I usually do when I have a car that's just a little too twitchy Actually pretty much all my cars I start with -5% curve and adjust from there
Thanks for swift reply, we have tried everything from -5 to -90 but it doesn't appear to make any difference.
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Thanks for swift reply, we have tried everything from -5 to -90 but it doesn't appear to make any difference.
did you try a different servo and/or receiver??

remember, an Electric TC is mucho lighter than a truggy, so if you got a SUPER high speed/high torque servo, that might be causing some issue..

usually electric TC needs about .10ish speed and about 100oz toqrue

I'd try a different receiver, crystal (if you're still using them), and/or a servo and see what happens
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hey guys if u want to make the trip and live close check out the hpi challange that will be happening in august at Rays in Jersey
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Need more info regarding HPI challenge
shoot me an email and I'll supply as much information as I can...I'm working with Ray Murray getting things together for the race

http://www.hpiracing.com/news/2009040601/

The race is currently set for August 15th & 16th - BUT has the possiblity of being moved back a week...Check out the HPI CHallenge thread for definite information...Ray is doing every he can NOT to move the race, but the co-sharer's of the parking lot we'll be using might have 'issues' with us there all weekend...

Either way, shoot me an email and I'll still give you as much as I know
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hey k bojar did u race this year at 301 raceway
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