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Old 01-27-2009, 12:10 AM   #15151
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the track is medium sized an its carpet so it can give you an idea , we had 3 rounds ans 1 final , for the first round i just went to the track and it had kept sliding , 2sd round i tried STLNLST setup wich indeed was very good .
3rd round i went back to andy moores setup wich was for this track , and i didnt like it , and for the final i just went to thicker roll bar front/rear and i moved from 19 lapper to 21 lapper . After the final , when people where arsnging there stuff i went back to the normal setup and again kept sliding , so it does show that going to thicker roll bar did help .
Either you have extra shocks or you're really fast changing things over cause my set up uses #2 pistons and don't most of Andy's use #3??? Run what works for you. If you're faster with thicker bars then leave them on and go have some fun
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Either you have extra shocks or you're really fast changing things over cause my set up uses #2 pistons and don't most of Andy's use #3??? Run what works for you. If you're faster with thicker bars then leave them on and go have some fun
I didnt change the piston shocks when i tried your setup , because its too much hastle and i dont see any difference ,even when changing oil , i only see a diference when i change roll center , akerman , shock position ....
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I didnt change the piston shocks when i tried your setup , because its too much hastle and i dont see any difference ,even when changing oil , i only see a diference when i change roll center , akerman , shock position ....
Until you run the complete set up you'll never know what it could really do.
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Old 01-27-2009, 12:50 AM   #15154
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Until you run the complete set up you'll never know what it could really do.
Yes , next time i go racing , next wekk or in 2 weeks , i will try the full setup , even if i dont see any difference i will try it .
While we are at it , could you explain to me what is the efect of more piston holes or less piston holes ?
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Guys

I have a setup question that I've never been able to answer by my own experiences... the track I race at sees its grip changing so much from the morning practice to the evening mains that I cannot isolate easily what handling changes come from grip changes vs. those from the car itself....

so here we go.

The question is: how does reducing wheelbase, via front or rear, change the handling characteristics of the cyclone?

In my theory books, reducing wheelbase from the rear leads to a more loaded rear end, which means more weight to the back on-throttle, ie more rear traction on-throttle. However it also means more overhangs, hence more "backpack" effect, ie the car is more prone to get into a drift from the rear (think off-throttle oversteer) and sustain if once the rear tires have lost traction.

Likewise, reducing wheelbase from the front should have the opposite effects - more front grip on throttle, and more understeer off throttle (you have to make that much more weight away from the front tires contract patch rotate around).

In both cases, a shorter wheelbase should mean a shorter turning radius no matter what (geometry 101), but I suspect this effect is marginal compared to those mentionned above.

What do you guys, who spend your lives at the track, think?

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I am sure someone else will have a more detailed textbook answer, but from my experiences a short wheel base car is good for tight tracks where having a car that transitions quickly and steers sharply is beneficial. A long wheel base makes the car less "athletic" feeling. More stable but transitions slower and has a larger turning radius. Better for long flowing tracks with large sweepers. That is where I use wheel base changes. To me it's finding the right balance of being able to carve the infield, and carry enough corner speed on the sweeper.
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I am sure someone else will have a more detailed textbook answer, but from my experiences a short wheel base car is good for tight tracks where having a car that transitions quickly and steers sharply is beneficial. A long wheel base makes the car less "athletic" feeling. More stable but transitions slower and has a larger turning radius. Better for long flowing tracks with large sweepers. That is where I use wheel base changes. To me it's finding the right balance of being able to carve the infield, and carry enough corner speed on the sweeper.
Can't disagree with that for sure - I was more after how different it is to adjust from the front than from the rear (and vice versa ).

(let alone adjusting from the a-arms or the hubs as far as the rear is concerned )

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Have you checked out the one from www.Manutechracing.com

It works great!

I am running and orion 5000 with this plate and it works well. you just have to grind down the bulkhead. Car is working awesome!
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I am running and orion 5000 with this plate and it works well. you just have to grind down the bulkhead. Car is working awesome!
My car is in the air right now.... Going to it's new home I ordered my speedo today. Hopefully they're in stock and I should have it for racing on the 7th.
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My car is in the air right now.... Going to it's new home I ordered my speedo today. Hopefully they're in stock and I should have it for racing on the 7th.
What speedo did you order ?
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My car is in the air right now.... Going to it's new home I ordered my speedo today. Hopefully they're in stock and I should have it for racing on the 7th.
yes what ESC ?
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What speedo did you order ?
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Orion....but they are out of stock for about 3 weeks
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Orion....but they are out of stock for about 3 weeks
Yea , its so anoying when they a shop doesnt have it in stock , i had the same and i had to wait for 2 weeks and a half .
Can you still race , do you have a spare speedo to race ?
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My car is in the air right now.... Going to it's new home I ordered my speedo today. Hopefully they're in stock and I should have it for racing on the 7th.
Can't wait to get my hands on it
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Yea , its so anoying when they a shop doesnt have it in stock , i had the same and i had to wait for 2 weeks and a half .
Can you still race , do you have a spare speedo to race ?
The shop has them. Orion itself is out. I run for Orion so that's where I will get my speedo from. One of the locals is letting me run his Orion speedo so I'll still get to test it out at the next carpet race

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Can't wait to get my hands on it
It's on it's way. Have fun with her.
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