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Old 04-11-2012, 07:01 AM   #1
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What do you guys think?

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Starter class for on-road?
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Meh. Just get a RWD Mini. I'd make this run against other D-Drive 12th scales.
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Ministock cars from Mardave have been raced for many, many years here in the UK as they are cheap, handle alot of abuse, and when raced together, are alot of fun. The new Schumacher car seems to be a 'higher tech' model, based on the Mardave formula. In fact, there has been a support championship running alongside the 12th nationals this season, where certain hotups have been allowed on the Mardave cars, so maybe this is Schumacher's chassis to compete with the original Mardave chassis's and their hotups. Cheers.
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looks like a fun cheap class...

...... which means in a few months after becoming that fun class that appears cheap to a new comer only to find out that the guys that win week in and week out have hundreds in tires, go with the motor of the week, has double the cost of the car in hop-ups, and takes the fun out of the class for everyone.

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I wonder what wheel standard this car is using?
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I wonder what wheel standard this car is using?
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looks like a fun cheap class...

...... which means in a few months after becoming that fun class that appears cheap to a new comer only to find out that the guys that win week in and week out have hundreds in tires, go with the motor of the week, has double the cost of the car in hop-ups, and takes the fun out of the class for everyone.

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Looks interesting and well made. However, I don't understand why they would use bushings up font and there doesn't seem to be a diff of any kind. The proprietary foam wheels and spur gears has me taking a pass and I haven't seen 32P gears on electrics in decades either. They should have used standard wheel hexes and standard mini rubber rims and tires as sold by HPI and Tamiya.
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No mate, thats the whole point. I dont think theres much (if any) ministock racing outside of the UK, where Mardave Ministocks have been raced for ever! Google Mardave Ministock and you'll see that this is Schumacher's version of it. Cheers!
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Maybe it is time for some glasses: this thread was posted yesterday.Schumacher SupaStox GT12
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Maybe it is time for some glasses: this thread was posted yesterday.Schumacher SupaStox GT12
Maybe you need glasses. See attached image.

I am not trying to be petty, nor do I really care who starts the thread.

We do not need these sort of comments.
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I have glasses...........SUNglasses
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looks like a fun cheap class...

...... which means in a few months after becoming that fun class that appears cheap to a new comer only to find out that the guys that win week in and week out have hundreds in tires, go with the motor of the week, has double the cost of the car in hop-ups, and takes the fun out of the class for everyone.

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...except the various Mardave classes have been successfully running for 25 years and in most of the classes the legal motor for years has been a closed endbell Mabuchi 540. The biggest complaint is that when you abuse the motor to get that last little bit of performance out them they don't last many weeks, but they only cost 9 to replace.
As for tyres, we race these on carpet, in the UK we all use the same carpet so the same tyres work everywhere, so having a box full of tyres is just a waste of money.
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Looks interesting and well made. However, I don't understand why they would use bushings up font and there doesn't seem to be a diff of any kind. The proprietary foam wheels and spur gears has me taking a pass and I haven't seen 32P gears on electrics in decades either. They should have used standard wheel hexes and standard mini rubber rims and tires as sold by HPI and Tamiya.
The idea is to keep the class cheap, and the cars have been developed from the first ones made in the 80s so the class is designed around a simple and tough chassis. All the current cars in the various classes are made by Mardave

The wheels and tyres used are the standard fitment for the current class which is pretty popular in the UK, over here the Mardave fitment wheels and tyres are much more readily available than any mini wheels and tyres. They are designed to run indoors on carpet and have been raced for 25 years on foams, so not much point in designing them to fit rubbers on them.

The reason for 32dp gears is that some of the Mardave classes have plenty of hard contact so 32dp gears are a necessity. See here for an example
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The 32dp gears make sure they will actually last a race without being destroyed like 48dp gears are. There will be alternative 48dp gears and a differential as upgrades if necessary for the faster classes such as circuit racing.
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...except the various Mardave classes have been successfully running for 25 years and in most of the classes the legal motor for years has been a closed endbell Mabuchi 540. The biggest complaint is that when you abuse the motor to get that last little bit of performance out them they don't last many weeks, but they only cost 9 to replace.
As for tyres, we race these on carpet, in the UK we all use the same carpet so the same tyres work everywhere, so having a box full of tyres is just a waste of money.
oh ok.. i havent seen these before on this side of the pond. i wouldnt mind seeing them on this side of the pond though!

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