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Old 12-02-2014, 12:51 PM   #8131
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Nothing limits ROAR from using a specific manufacturer tire/motor/battery. I asked this in another thread and was answered by NITRO450 (who is apparently a ROAR board member) that there are no rules/bylaws preventing it, they just dont do it.
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You can get the only "old" cars with some degree of parts support left (xxxs, tc4/4...ran them all) under 1550g without too much effort. As well as others. On asphalt 1550g makes for some fast wearing tires.

I'm not arguing against the aspect of running older cars and having fun. Heck, I wish I still had my RDX. Eventually the old parts supply for antiquated cars dries up.

And yes, I have been a loyal USVTA guy. even when I show up to tracks where ROAR is the locals choice and I suffer with a heavy car. I make top-3 in these situations sometimes. Gonna' need another car though...roar & usvta rides to bring out depending on what's being run.
One of the fastest guys around here in VTA races a TC3. Not sure what fast tire wear is but I'm getting 6 to 8 weekends on a set of VTA tires before they are bald (practice, 2 or 3 qualifiers and 12 minute main each weekend) 1550+grams on asphalt but big track.
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Nothing limits ROAR from using a specific manufacturer tire/motor/battery. I asked this in another thread and was answered by NITRO450 (who is apparently a ROAR board member) that there are no rules/bylaws preventing it, they just dont do it.
using yes -spec'ing it into the rules, no

that's what I was referring too.. I remember that being said once before and i remember that being said when I was on a rules committee about 6 years ago (not for USVTA, however)
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so, would it be better to have the discussion in a thread specific for ROAR VTA changes then if that is what is being targeted?
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Guys, if anything were to be made consistent with the two sanctioning bodies, there would have to be give and take from both sides.

The battery and weight rules are the EASY ones to give up in exchange for a spec. motor. It's not a compromise if everything only goes one way.
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Guys, if anything were to be made consistent with the two sanctioning bodies, there would have to be give and take from both sides.

The battery and weight rules are the EASY ones to give up in exchange for a spec. motor. It's not a compromise if everything only goes one way.
USVTA already changed from the USVTA ESC list to the ROAR ESC list. Now it's ROAR's turn to change something. That's why I said "reciprocate" in my previous post.
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One of the fastest guys around here in VTA races a TC3. Not sure what fast tire wear is but I'm getting 6 to 8 weekends on a set of VTA tires before they are bald (practice, 2 or 3 qualifiers and 12 minute main each weekend) 1550+grams on asphalt but big track.
The track I have been to the most in the last few months is pretty tight and certainly a bit rough. It's hard on tires, but no one seems to care if they are bald or not. And the TC3 is certainly good- I had one with trf shocks and it was on-point. But I like belt better. Weight? Hey whatever, but since we have people in higher places affiliated with both sides of the fence, it would be great if a uniform minimum could be agreed on. That pretty much solves the issue between the two camps. Thumbs up to the larger array of esc's we can now use. ROAR should consider bridging the gap in a few minor areas.
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USVTA already changed from the USVTA ESC list to the ROAR ESC list. Now it's ROAR's turn to change something. That's why I said "reciprocate" in my previous post.
Spec. motor is a biggie. THE big one.

You better be prepared to concede everything else.
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So, in short, what are exactly the differences between USVTA rules and ROAR's current VTA Rules?

Right now I see:

- Weight
- Battery size requirement
- Tire specific requirement
- Motor specific brand requirement

Is there more to it than that?
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So, in short, what are exactly the differences between USVTA rules and ROAR's current VTA Rules?

Right now I see:

- Weight
- Battery size requirement
- Tire specific requirement
- Motor specific brand requirement

Is there more to it than that?
nope
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So, in short, what are exactly the differences between USVTA rules and ROAR's current VTA Rules?

Right now I see:

- Weight
- Battery size requirement
- Tire specific requirement
- Motor specific brand requirement

Is there more to it than that?
I didn't realize "they" don't have a spec. tire. What do they use?

Staying with those vintage HPI tires is a must. Maybe the HPI option vintage tires, but certainly not open open?
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I didn't realize "they" don't have a spec. tire. What do they use?

Staying with those vintage HPI tires is a must. Maybe the HPI option vintage tires, but certainly not open open?
they have/had dimensions that matched the HPI tires. plus at the events, it was spec'ed to be the HPI tire - but you were allowed to bring your own tires
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I think the big thing with ROAR is that they appear to not limit it to one brand in the rules from what I can tell, I could be wrong and that is fine, but it appears to be more open that other manufacturers can get on board if they choose.

Me personally, either works, I may prefer one method to another, but you have to use what works for you. I can see the arguments the pure usvta guys use as well as the guys who want more stuff open.

As for things to compromise on, personally I wouldn't mind this as a hybrid of the rules:

- Weight

1500grams

- Battery size requirement

use a maximum weight requirement as the whole mah thing to me personally seems you can fudge that unless you are teching and approving packs specifically to be made with true "5000mah" cells.
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The problem with the max mah requirement is that as battery technology gets better and better, the 5000mah packs are getting lighter and lighter which just exacerbates the weight issue.

With that part open, you make the decision knowing that more mah generally means more weight.
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Spec. motor is a biggie. THE big one.

You better be prepared to concede everything else.
"I" don't need to concede anything. Rob sets the rules for USVTA. He has stated many times that the motor will remain Novak.

Also, ROAR still needs to release rules for 25.5 motors. But that's something that doesn't really fit into this thread at the moment.
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