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Old 05-08-2014, 06:08 AM   #7111
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And once its all said and done I bet the stock classes will be 1 or 2 motors that everybody runs. USVTA would be the same way, but with much less choices. I have heard the D3.5 25.5 motor is worthless, so there is one to knock off already. Besides VTA is much more about driving than the classes with motor power.
Not sure I agree with the D3.5 25.5 being worthless. I recently set TQ, and finished second (should have won), with the fastest lap, at fastest 5/10/15 lap averages at a state race using ROAR rules on a huge outdoor layout (Kissimmee, FL). The motor was very strong.
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Interesting... all of the ones I have heard about run were weak compared to Novaks.
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Old 05-08-2014, 07:55 AM   #7113
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FWIW I have a 25.5 D3.5 maxilla that is weak compared to my Novak Boss 25.5
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The D3.5 I ran was weaker compaired to the Novak on a tight carpet track. But then again I havent had time to play with timing and gearing.

The Novaks are strong motors, but think about, how many track hours do the Novaks have on them compaired to everyone else's. There has been a ton of people with lots of time to find that sweet spot. Therefore, even for a noob, its easy to get the Novak motor running like a champ. The others will take time. But with the others only being run in ROAR races... well you get the idea.

I do like a one motor rule. It keeps things simple and all the same tricks on making them faster will work for everyone.


But I am curious about something Novak did. They (from understanding of thing written on this thread) dropped the Ballistic line and made the Boss without any prior notice. This initially caused a bit of an uproar about what to do. Something had to be done as the older motors were discontinued. If this is the route Novak took, why not just make a Vulcan 25.5. Why drop your entire Ballistic line, save the VTA motor. Are the Vulcans that much better than the Ballistics?
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Old 05-08-2014, 08:11 AM   #7115
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I've been reading this thread for awhile, and find it interesting how some want to reinvent the wheel. WHY??
I've been racing RC Cars for over 25yrs, but am new to 1/10 scale electric.
I had NO idea of what class to run, let alone what equipment to buy.
With the help, and guidance from a few local racers, I built a USVTA car.
I've NEVER had more fun racing RC then I am NOW. The reason being, most guys in this class, are having fun, laughing on the drivers stand, and just enjoying themselves. It doesn't matter if your going 5mph, or 500mph, it's the competition that gets your interest.
The best part about USVTA is ALL the guess work is already done for me. I look at the rules, (simple), I write down ALL the part numbers I need, and proceed to purchase my items to go racing. when I get to the track, everyone is running the same STUFF.....
I go out on the track, and learn how much better my competitor's skills are compared to mine....
I go out, and practice, and fine tune my skills, and chassis, never once having to worry about my ESC, or Motor.
My learning curve has been fairly easy, and I see improvement every race.
The fast guys are still faster with the same equipment, but I am getting closer to their skill levels.
Now if I had to worry about Batteries, ESC, and Motors, it would be a different story!!!
Most of those that want to change this class seem to have more time/years in 1/10 scale RC Racing, and want more performance from their cars, and I get it.
In my opinion USVTA is a beginner class/novice/fun/spec Racing. If those that want to go faster, have more power, or have more choices, and make changes, stop and think for a minute, you will see that there are other classes for you to do that.
Why change a winning recipe????
So back to my original question, WHY do you want to change a FUN class instead of moving up to a class where you can do ALL the things you want to??
Why are you trying to reinvent the wheel???
I think it is in the best interest of RC to have this class as is...
Are you afraid of being a little fish in a big pond, or is it, you need to be a big fish in a little pond???

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"The best part about USVTA is ALL the guess work is already done for me. I look at the rules, (simple)"

-except at this very moment, that is not entirely the case....


"Now if I had to worry about Batteries, ESC, and Motors, it would be a different story!!!"

-and at this very moment, with regards to "legal" esc's, you do. And it is...


"Why change a winning recipe????"

- great question! The HW & SP esc's have been a legal option, and I firmly believe the consensus is to keep it that way. Not one person, even from the "novak or nothing" camp, has complained or made a lot of noise in an attempt to ban it. User updates to profiles is nothing more than the imaginary "boogie-man" in this scenario.

"In my opinion USVTA is a beginner class/novice/fun/spec Racing."

- well, yes and no. it's an idealistic notion, but reality is that with most any class of racing that is popular and successful, things evolve. Competition is competition.
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Old 05-08-2014, 09:16 AM   #7117
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"The best part about USVTA is ALL the guess work is already done for me. I look at the rules, (simple)"


"In my opinion USVTA is a beginner class/novice/fun/spec Racing."

- well, yes and no. it's an idealistic notion, but reality is that with most any class of racing that is popular and successful, things evolve. Competition is competition.
Look I have no problems with debates, and they are a good way at seeing things from a different angle.

Bottom line, I've seen week after week of racing usvta that the fast guys are winning every weekend and not worried about any of the items listed in this thread. The top guys are running Novak esc and motors. They win with their skills, in any Class they race in!!!
The guys chasing them seem to be the ones that want change....

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Look I have no problems with debates, and they are a good way at seeing things from a different angle.

Bottom line, I've seen week after week of racing usvta that the fast guys are winning every weekend and not worried about any of the items listed in this thread. The top guys are running Novak esc and motors. They win with their skills, in any Class they race in!!!
The guys chasing them seem to be the ones that want change....

fast guys will always be fast. its always the mid-pack guys that have the issues, because they feel if they were faster (ie, chassis or motors or esc, batteries) then they could be competing.

and then spec-racing is always going to bring up huge debates because someone always feels they could be better (or the class could be better) with X equipment instead of Y equipment
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Look I have no problems with debates, and they are a good way at seeing things from a different angle.

Bottom line, I've seen week after week of racing usvta that the fast guys are winning every weekend and not worried about any of the items listed in this thread. The top guys are running Novak esc and motors. They win with their skills, in any Class they race in!!!
The guys chasing them seem to be the ones that want change....

And I'm right there with you . I do this for fun, and as budget permits. I run what I have and sometimes it goes my way, I break into the top three at a race... or sometimes I just break All of the "I want unlimited choices in motors, batteries, ect" discussions have been beat into the ground. The rules aren't changing in those regards, we all know this. The major issue at hand right now is that we have some ESC's that have been legal for some time, but soon may not be due to what equates to simple paranoia- and nothing more. And hey look! There is a Novak esc in question too. Doubt that one will get axed though. I have a HW because it was deemed legal and it is affordable. A brand new Novak is not in the cards at this time. Performance / speed difference between a Novak and a HW= ziltch. Speed added by changing a profile on a zero-timing esc= ziltch. Need to remove said esc, IMHO= ziltch. Same for the SP. I like the one motor only rule TBH. And the 5000 mah limit. Creates parity, it has worked for the class.
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And I'm right there with you . I do this for fun, and as budget permits. I run what I have and sometimes it goes my way, I break into the top three at a race... or sometimes I just break All of the "I want unlimited choices in motors, batteries, ect" discussions have been beat into the ground. The rules aren't changing in those regards, we all know this. The major issue at hand right now is that we have some ESC's that have been legal for some time, but soon may not be due to what equates to simple paranoia- and nothing more. And hey look! There is a Novak esc in question too. Doubt that one will get axed though. I have a HW because it was deemed legal and it is affordable. A brand new Novak is not in the cards at this time. Performance / speed difference between a Novak and a HW= ziltch. Speed added by changing a profile on a zero-timing esc= ziltch. Need to remove said esc, IMHO= ziltch. Same for the SP. I like the one motor only rule TBH. And the 5000 mah limit. Creates parity, it has worked for the class.
and parity is what this class (and spec racing, in general) is all about. In order to achieve (as much parity as physically possible), sometimes unpopular choices have to be made - but in 99% of the cases, its for the good of the class, and not an individual(s)
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and parity is what this class (and spec racing, in general) is all about. In order to achieve (as much parity as physically possible), sometimes unpopular choices have to be made - but in 99% of the cases, its for the good of the class, and not an individual(s)
...and I get the feeling that those you refer to are most likely the sponsored types (or perhaps just plain stubborn) that want to run the brand they get for free. Just a hunch. This class has been good fun and I plan to run it for a long time. But I truly despise the notion that a reliable, affordable, and up to this point "legal" piece of equipment is in danger of being eliminated. So I voice my opinion in this regard.
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...and I get the feeling that those you refer to are most likely the sponsored types (or perhaps just plain stubborn) that want to run the brand they get for free. Just a hunch. This class has been good fun and I plan to run it for a long time. But I truly despise the notion that a reliable, affordable, and up to this point "legal" piece of equipment is in danger of being eliminated. So I voice my opinion in this regard.
honestly, I've seen it both ways. I've 'run' the class at my local track for a few years and seen the sponsored guys because of a,b,c reasons want different stuff

I've seen the guys that hate X or Y brand want to change

and then there's the guys that just want to make a point and see what they can get you to cave in on.

I've been a sponsored driver (tekin to be specific), and I never once argued that tekin should be allowed in the class and I always ran novak. wasn't a huge fan of novak's stuff before I started running this class - now I actually have a new found respect for their stuff, so much to the point that (until recently) ran novak GTB2's in all my cars (except for 12th scale, they just don't have a good 12th scale 1s speedo)

actually most of the 'individuals' are usually the fast guys that want to dominate another class and don't understand that side-by-side racing is, and always will be, more entertaining then lapping the field for the 7th time
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But I am curious about something Novak did. They (from understanding of thing written on this thread) dropped the Ballistic line and made the Boss without any prior notice. This initially caused a bit of an uproar about what to do. Something had to be done as the older motors were discontinued. If this is the route Novak took, why not just make a Vulcan 25.5. Why drop your entire Ballistic line, save the VTA motor. Are the Vulcans that much better than the Ballistics?
In regards to the "ballistic" as we knew it being dropped, sealed endbells and such.

If my info is correct, and it may not be. It sounded like a request was made by ROAR to make it easier to check stators while in an assembled motor.

The BOSS was released with vented end bells to facilitate the ease of checking the inductance of the stator without disassembly of the entire motor.

As far as the rest of Novak's product line (Ballistic replacement)and the Vulcan, the trend in the industry was towards "short stacks". So, we got the Vulcan whic has a considerably shorter stack than the Ballistic.
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I've been a sponsored driver (tekin to be specific)
I know, I bought an RS off you.

So my question for you is this... do you personally feel that some of the ESC's apparently now in question should be removed?

The thing myself, along with a number of others have been trying to do, is find an accurate / valid reason to do so. Parity exists when using a HW or SP. Close racing exists. Equal performance (despite "profile "feel") exists. Will it help the class to remove them? Or just make some people feel better? It will certainly benefit Novak, but that is for another discussion. Find a "secret boost profile" for one of these ESc's, regardless of brand, and I will whole-heartedly agree.
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I don't want the hobby wing and speed passion banned, even though they can be updated. As long as there are no instances or issues with racers actually using the feature to cheat. But I do think the Tekin should have the same chance. Same for the Novak in question.
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