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Old 01-23-2013, 07:08 AM   #3826
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Quick question, just getting started with VTA though raced Mini and TC in the past. I'm putting together my body but I'm not sure about the spoiler/wing rules. The rules state that you can use the included spoiler with the body but that you can't use a "wing". I'm running the HPI GT350 body and it comes with a pretty big "wing". Don't want to drill holes in the body if I will just have to remove it.
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I have a question on the VTA legal motor. If you can't modify or use any optional parts on the motor can how can you install ceramic bearing legally?


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25.5 brushless with 2C LiPo: Novak SS25.5 Pro brushless motor (pn:3425V) or Ballistic 25.5 (pn:3625V- stator only pn:S6625) Club (pn:3331) ONLY combined with any hard-cased 2C 7.4v LiPo pack up to and including 5000 mAh capacity. Novak motors are the ONLY motor allowed at this time. All house track rules regarding LiPo usage apply. Only physical motor timing advance is allowed, however Ballistic motors must not be advanced beyond the last line of the timing range sticker. 12.3 mm rotor diameter only (no "tuning" rotors are allowed, only stock Novak rotors allowed). Using ceramic bearings in the motor makes you a dork. No modifications or optional parts allowed on motor can, endbell, stator, or rotor. No cooling holes or other changes allowed to motor. Fans and external clip on heatsinks are allowed, but integral type heatsinks/fans including but not limited to those that require motor disassembly to mount are illegal.
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Don't people every get SICK in your part of the country? You've got to get your priorities straight man! "Nudge, nudge, wink, wink, say no more, say no more!"
Biggest problem is the son of one of the managers here races also, so he sees me at most every event, and he is getting serious enough now to make the trip to Nashville this year. I'll just have to wait and see how things shape up as September approaches...
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I have a question on the VTA legal motor. If you can't modify or use any optional parts on the motor can how can you install ceramic bearing legally?


Motor Specifications:
25.5 brushless with 2C LiPo: Novak SS25.5 Pro brushless motor (pn:3425V) or Ballistic 25.5 (pn:3625V- stator only pn:S6625) Club (pn:3331) ONLY combined with any hard-cased 2C 7.4v LiPo pack up to and including 5000 mAh capacity. Novak motors are the ONLY motor allowed at this time. All house track rules regarding LiPo usage apply. Only physical motor timing advance is allowed, however Ballistic motors must not be advanced beyond the last line of the timing range sticker. 12.3 mm rotor diameter only (no "tuning" rotors are allowed, only stock Novak rotors allowed). Using ceramic bearings in the motor makes you a dork. No modifications or optional parts allowed on motor can, endbell, stator, or rotor. No cooling holes or other changes allowed to motor. Fans and external clip on heatsinks are allowed, but integral type heatsinks/fans including but not limited to those that require motor disassembly to mount are illegal.
Says right there that you can't and says you're a dork if you do
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I have a question on the VTA legal motor. If you can't modify or use any optional parts on the motor can how can you install ceramic bearing legally?


Motor Specifications:
25.5 brushless with 2C LiPo: Novak SS25.5 Pro brushless motor (pn:3425V) or Ballistic 25.5 (pn:3625V- stator only pn:S6625) Club (pn:3331) ONLY combined with any hard-cased 2C 7.4v LiPo pack up to and including 5000 mAh capacity. Novak motors are the ONLY motor allowed at this time. All house track rules regarding LiPo usage apply. Only physical motor timing advance is allowed, however Ballistic motors must not be advanced beyond the last line of the timing range sticker. 12.3 mm rotor diameter only (no "tuning" rotors are allowed, only stock Novak rotors allowed). Using ceramic bearings in the motor makes you a dork. No modifications or optional parts allowed on motor can, endbell, stator, or rotor. No cooling holes or other changes allowed to motor. Fans and external clip on heatsinks are allowed, but integral type heatsinks/fans including but not limited to those that require motor disassembly to mount are illegal.
Think the part in green kinda answers it. Also as it is not in the the spirit of slower, controlled racing with realistic looking cars, consider it illegal.
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Quick question, just getting started with VTA though raced Mini and TC in the past. I'm putting together my body but I'm not sure about the spoiler/wing rules. The rules state that you can use the included spoiler with the body but that you can't use a "wing". I'm running the HPI GT350 body and it comes with a pretty big "wing". Don't want to drill holes in the body if I will just have to remove it.
No wings...the Mustang doesnt come with a trunk spoiler like on the Camaro/Cuda....the TC looking wing isnt legal on any VTA cars
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No wings...the Mustang doesnt come with a trunk spoiler like on the Camaro/Cuda....the TC looking wing isnt legal on any VTA cars
Thanks for the clarification. I will save that for another body and another time then.
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I have a question on the VTA legal motor. If you can't modify or use any optional parts on the motor can how can you install ceramic bearing legally?


Motor Specifications:
25.5 brushless with 2C LiPo: Novak SS25.5 Pro brushless motor (pn:3425V) or Ballistic 25.5 (pn:3625V- stator only pn:S6625) Club (pn:3331) ONLY combined with any hard-cased 2C 7.4v LiPo pack up to and including 5000 mAh capacity. Novak motors are the ONLY motor allowed at this time. All house track rules regarding LiPo usage apply. Only physical motor timing advance is allowed, however Ballistic motors must not be advanced beyond the last line of the timing range sticker. 12.3 mm rotor diameter only (no "tuning" rotors are allowed, only stock Novak rotors allowed). Using ceramic bearings in the motor makes you a dork. No modifications or optional parts allowed on motor can, endbell, stator, or rotor. No cooling holes or other changes allowed to motor. Fans and external clip on heatsinks are allowed, but integral type heatsinks/fans including but not limited to those that require motor disassembly to mount are illegal.
ceramics are not illegal, it just makes you a dork....lol...are you looking to put some in?
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Biggest problem is the son of one of the managers here races also, so he sees me at most every event, and he is getting serious enough now to make the trip to Nashville this year. I'll just have to wait and see how things shape up as September approaches...
make him your racing buddy and boom...instant day off....hope you can...

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ceramics are not illegal, it just makes you a dork....lol...are you looking to put some in?
Yes, and those other rotors too...no more horse powering by me on the straight away! I've got to have the same motor as the rest of you passing me like I'm sitting still down the straight!
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Yes, and those other rotors too...no more horse powering by me on the straight away! I've got to have the same motor as the rest of you passing me like I'm sitting still down the straight!
I am sure the guys down there are trying to help, but for my info, what chassis, motor version and FDR are you running?

Most of the SS motors I have checked with my equipment show rpm ranges of 13,200-13,800 with extremely low amp and watt numbers, so they can be geared very differently then their Ballistic counterparts.

I had someone else at our shop with some concerns after I had built their car with a specific power/FDR combo (club stock/SS/4.07/TC4/Onyx 5000) and then they mysteriously lost over a half second. It turned out, they had been given a battery (and told it was fine to be used as a basher pack only in an sct), swapped out the battery and got their missing .5 back.
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I am sure the guys down there are trying to help, but for my info, what chassis, motor version and FDR are you running?

I had someone else at our shop with some concerns after I had built their car with a specific power/FDR combo (club stock/SS/4.07/TC4/Onyx 5000) and then they mysteriously lost over a half second. It turned out, they had been given a battery (and told it was fine to be used as a basher pack only in an sct), swapped out the battery and got their missing .5 back.
Oh no, this isn't the case here!
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Yes, and those other rotors too...no more horse powering by me on the straight away! I've got to have the same motor as the rest of you passing me like I'm sitting still down the straight!
12.3 mm rotor diameter only (no "tuning" rotors are allowed, only stock Novak rotors allowed

you can add ceramics, but rotors are another ball game....

I dont think you are far off...

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Driver Qual# Laps Race Time Round Race Pos in Race Fast Lap
Myron Kinnard 1 23 5:06.544 3 3 1 12.867
Bill Eisenhard 2 23 5:06.699 4 3 1 12.891
Jason Graham 3 23 5:14.524 4 3 2 12.985
Josh Butt 4 23 5:15.754 3 2 1 12.812

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Myron Kinnard 1 1 36 8:07.223 12.833 12.939 12.998 13.116 1
Jason Graham 2 3 36 8:10.754 12.924 3.531 12.953 13.079 13.200 3

cleaning the bearings in your car will give you those little tenth, and less mistakes
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12.3 mm rotor diameter only (no "tuning" rotors are allowed, only stock Novak rotors allowed

you can add ceramics, but rotors are another ball game....

I dont think you are far off...

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Driver Qual# Laps Race Time Round Race Pos in Race Fast Lap
Myron Kinnard 1 23 5:06.544 3 3 1 12.867
Bill Eisenhard 2 23 5:06.699 4 3 1 12.891
Jason Graham 3 23 5:14.524 4 3 2 12.985
Josh Butt 4 23 5:15.754 3 2 1 12.812

A-main
Myron Kinnard 1 1 36 8:07.223 12.833 12.939 12.998 13.116 1
Jason Graham 2 3 36 8:10.754 12.924 3.531 12.953 13.079 13.200 3

cleaning the bearings in your car will give you those little tenth, and less mistakes
Again how can you add ceramic bearing when the rules states No modifications or optional parts allowed on motor can, endbell, stator, or rotor? Isn't ceramic bearings an optional part? Or changing them out would be a modification I would think?
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