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Old 12-03-2012, 07:29 PM   #3046
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all i know is if i can keep my motor cooler to help it last longer then im going to continue to run one, it does not improve performance or run time and it adds weight ect. if you dont want to run a fan then dont, if you want to spend a few bucks to throw one on then it should not be an issue, its like saying you cant run a fan on your esc, whats the point of choking the rules any more than they already are?
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If I had to do this where you guys are racing I would have never built a car for this class. Make that two cars, the other for my teammate.
You would when you see how much fun we have with it! We have the fast class for those with that itch. I love the VTA and put up with our local limit cause it is so much fun. Even other tracks limit their FDR around here. It is where we got the idea from. Another reason....our track is small! 20' x 60'
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Old 12-03-2012, 07:41 PM   #3048
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I am on my phone so for give no links. As most of our tracks follow ROAR rules, let section 8.8.4.5, specifically 8.8.4.5.1.1 be your guide for the answer you seek. This is what I follow and default to. I know they have not been updated, however, this is the downloadable version from the web.
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Old 12-03-2012, 07:45 PM   #3049
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I am on my phone so for give no links. As most of our tracks follow ROAR rules, let section 8.8.4.5, specifically 8.8.4.5.1.1 be your guide for the answer you seek. This is what I follow and default to. I know they have not been updated, however, this is the downloadable version from the web.
8.8.4.5.1.1 ROAR Stock, Super Stock, and Spec motors: Any active (powered) motor cooling (such as Peltier devices and liquid cooling) other than a single standard 30mm fan are strictly prohibited. Motor heat sink devices directly contacting/attached to the motor must be made of cast aluminum only, no other materials are allowed. Air scoops, ventilation slits, and other passive cooling efforts are allowed. Motor must be at ambient or higher temperature before the start of the race.
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Old 12-03-2012, 08:03 PM   #3050
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Old 12-03-2012, 08:11 PM   #3051
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Hey Chris, I wouldnt get upset about this topic, or any...I believe its healthy for the class as long as we keep it under control and take in opinions...we need to hear what racers across the Nation are doing in every club....even with my traveling and others, we cant be at every club/track...so it helps to bring things up like this so ppl can chime in to offer experience and opinions

Rob, Eric and others read this all the time and take it all in. No different the ESC,Bodies, and other things about the class...it all gets absorbed
I would agree that discussion is healthy except......

take this as you will. as an ex vta racer, this kind of stuff is why I left. there seems to be two sets of rules. the written rules and the rc tech rules. as a current outsider to this class it seems that vta has problem following the vta rules. The soaking of tires, not following the cut line on the bodies etc. these types of things are illegal by the written rules but ok by the rc tech rules. why? No consistency. Now we are on to the fan issue.......again. Maybe if the written rules reflected what has been discussed numerous times on this forum then the confusion would be a lot less however the written rules don't get updated often enough. No wonder everyone is chasing their tails confused and dizzy all of the time.

I read this discussion daily trying to find a reason to try vta again and its just not there.
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Old 12-03-2012, 09:30 PM   #3052
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I'm running a fan. I've got a new one ordered since the clip on one comes off to easy. I'm having fun where I race and I assume what I've been doing is legal for the Birds.It went thru tech legal everytime last few months..........
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Old 12-03-2012, 10:06 PM   #3053
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There will never be a perfect set of rules that makes everybody happy. If they had directions for all situations down to what kind of body clips you will be allowed to use, 1/2 the people will leave. The other half will leave if any motor any rotor any speed control is allowed.

But let me say this:
You also need some common sense. That will help you as well when you come up with a situation. Like, if you somebody extends the front air dam back to the body so it doesn't get ripped off in one weekend. Does this make any difference to performance? No Does it make the car look bad? No, so just carry on and have fun.
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Old 12-03-2012, 10:16 PM   #3054
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i dont know why this is even an issue, its just like running ceramic bb in the motor. is it going to boost performance noticeably? no
is it going to last a lot longer and run smoother over the stock ones? yes
what is the problem here?
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Old 12-04-2012, 12:25 AM   #3055
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I think we all need a new set of bitching on rctech rules

What I get from this is guys use whatever rules make you happy
And what ever your club or local track is using
And do what ever you can to get new blood into the hobbie
Even if it means bending the rules a bit to get them guys
On the track and then let them know what's going on
But
If you plan on racing any big events like the scale nats or the southern nats
Or snowbirds nats
You are going to have to abide by their rules
But the USVTA guideline is your best safest bet to get through TECH
If your running any roar regionals or nationals your going to have to
Use the roar VTA rules

But if your car is a USVTA car it will pass roar tech all day long
Just not the other way around

That alone sounds like common sense to me
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Old 12-04-2012, 02:01 AM   #3056
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I like the tach from the airplane idea but just adds another thing to tech cause it won't measure the wheel speed, just the motor. We would have to tech the gears and the motor rpm. It i could creat a dump box to set the cars on all we would have to do is a few pulls here and there. They could gear however they wanted as long as the max rpm wasn't breached.
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Stick a piece of tape temporarily to the rear tire sidewall and take a reading. No muss, no fuss, and you don't have to build anything.
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Old 12-04-2012, 06:26 AM   #3057
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I think we all need a new set of bitching on rctech rules

What I get from this is guys use whatever rules make you happy
And what ever your club or local track is using
And do what ever you can to get new blood into the hobbie
Even if it means bending the rules a bit to get them guys
On the track and then let them know what's going on
But
If you plan on racing any big events like the scale nats or the southern nats
Or snowbirds nats
You are going to have to abide by their rules
But the USVTA guideline is your best safest bet to get through TECH
If your running any roar regionals or nationals your going to have to
Use the roar VTA rules

But if your car is a USVTA car it will pass roar tech all day long
Just not the other way around

That alone sounds like common sense to me
you know what they say about common sense........its not that common
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Old 12-04-2012, 08:27 AM   #3058
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This is what happens when we all spend more time typing than rebuilding shocks and cleaning bearings making sure the spur gear is not beat up. All of this banter that affects nothing at the track, aside from making a few racers want to quit.

I am soooooo glad that my experience at the track, any track is not like it is in here. Not that its all that bad in here, but the track is all about helping each other get ready and time to race. None of this "Should we allow fans" business.
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I think we all need a new set of bitching on rctech rules

What I get from this is guys use whatever rules make you happy
And what ever your club or local track is using
And do what ever you can to get new blood into the hobbie
Even if it means bending the rules a bit to get them guys
On the track and then let them know what's going on
But
If you plan on racing any big events like the scale nats or the southern nats
Or snowbirds nats
You are going to have to abide by their rules
But the USVTA guideline is your best safest bet to get through TECH
If your running any roar regionals or nationals your going to have to
Use the roar VTA rules


But if your car is a USVTA car it will pass roar tech all day long
Just not the other way around

That alone sounds like common sense to me
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Old 12-04-2012, 08:57 AM   #3060
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I think we all need a new set of bitching on rctech rules

What I get from this is guys use whatever rules make you happy
And what ever your club or local track is using
And do what ever you can to get new blood into the hobbie
Even if it means bending the rules a bit to get them guys
On the track and then let them know what's going on
But
If you plan on racing any big events like the scale nats or the southern nats
Or snowbirds nats
You are going to have to abide by their rules
But the USVTA guideline is your best safest bet to get through TECH
If your running any roar regionals or nationals your going to have to
Use the roar VTA rules

But if your car is a USVTA car it will pass roar tech all day long
Just not the other way around

That alone sounds like common sense to me
+2 I keep saying this but it keeps needing to be said. The USVTA rules are just a template. They are a guideline, and they insure compatability among all of the clubs that are smart enough to use them. There is no VTA Nazi to make sure you don't allow the Pantera body or the Novak heatsink or large cooling fans.

So if you want to run USVTA rules with the exception that everyone has to run clown heads for driver figures then that is still easier to say than having to post each and every rule yourself. The rules serve us well because they set a standard and they are there for reference even if you choose not to follow them. But follow them you should young padewan.
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