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Old 11-17-2012, 09:35 AM   #2716
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Yeah, new cars will have a small advantage. It is small but there and people will try to make ground there. I am guilty of this as well. But at least I know it is the chassis and not an ESC/motor thing.

However, more recent trends in chassis development and technology have produced a car that isn't necessarily faster, but one that handles changing track conditions and have larger setup windows.

To combat this one has to really work with what they have to keep up Witt the current trends. Flexy chassis seem to be the norm...if I had an older chassis I would look for ways to emulate this. In a tc4 for example, you can grind off the chassis support brackets to get some chassis flex.

Bottom line, yes, chassis changes are hard to keep up with. If you have an older chassis It can still win if you pour some love and time into it. Which has always been the charm of this class in my opinion. It is a driving and setup class, not a buy the latest and greatest class. We have guys running tc4's and kicking butt. Really ticks off the guys that went out and dropped big money on tc6's and t4's!

The big issue at our track is inconsistency in motors. Not all 25.5 ballistics are the same. With an FDR limit you can only make your car faster to a point. For example, we have a 6.9 limit. Everyone runs max timing and on a simple oval track there are drivers that are a full second off the pace! Not a setup/driving issue as we swapped motors and the times switched. That will cause racers in out club huge frustrations and they will go out and get a new motor and start the chase the leader game with their wallets.
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Ask Myron (Darkside) about chassis. Ive seen him destroy a USVTA class with a TC4. Running against the top of the line chassis'.
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Old 11-17-2012, 09:45 AM   #2718
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hey since this thred is getting completely off subject of vta racing.What color shirt should i wear on race day i want to stand out ya know
You might be on to something
I don't know about you all but I have this one shirt
That has seen so many A mains that I just cant go
Racing without it any more

Any one else have a favorite race shirt

O yea thrasher I would pick a red shirt to stand out
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Old 11-17-2012, 09:47 AM   #2719
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Guess I just dont understand people running outside of the rules. Its not USVTA racing. Cant go race big events, stuck only in the club racing scene at their track. I wouldnt be racing if thats all I could do.
well we have only 6 events here per year so club racing, which is every 2 weeks, is all we get....and thats winter only, no summer on-road, better than nothing. we dont have the opportunities like you guys to the south for r/c running
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Old 11-17-2012, 09:50 AM   #2720
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our rules

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Motor: 21.5 Brushless motor ROAR Approved or silver can
ESC: No ESC timing or boost.
Battery: ROAR approved 2S Li-po hard case batteries only
Tires: HPI VTA Spec tires
Weight: Minimum weight 1450g
Bodies: Vintage Trans-Am spec bodies only. Driver and/or lights preferred, but not required.
Thats USGT not VTA. Only thing VTA is tires. Might want to go to that thread since its really what your running
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Ask Myron (Darkside) about chassis. Ive seen him destroy a USVTA class with a TC4. Running against the top of the line chassis'.
I'm running a tc6.1 and at the southern nats I was so happy to make the
A main and I was snooping around after to see what I was up aginst
And my jaw dropped when I seen a tc3 and a tc4 that had been kicking my
A$$ all day and I never would have thought this !
It's all about the driver and setup
And as I have been told to be fast you have to take all the L.O.T.
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Old 11-17-2012, 09:53 AM   #2722
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I'm running a tc6.1 and at the southern nats I was so happy to make the
A main and I was snooping around after to see what I was up aginst
And my jaw dropped when I seen a tc3 and a tc4 that had been kicking my
A$$ all day and I never would have thought this !
It's all about the driver and setup
And as I have been told to be fast you have to take all the L.O.T.
Yeah chassis does NOT make or break you in USVTA.
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Thats USGT not VTA. Only thing VTA is tires. Might want to go to that thread since its really what your running
this is our version of vta until it changes, still new to us, but ya its really just tires and body, but what elses is there to change but motor?
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this is our version of vta until it changes, still new to us, but ya its really just tires and body, but what elses is there to change but motor?
So why not just call it what it is? Its USGT.

Well Im done with the trolls for now, going to watch some football
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So why not just call it what it is? Its USGT.

Well Im done with the trolls for now, going to watch some football
YEP texans are on at 12
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So why not just call it what it is? Its USGT.

Well Im done with the trolls for now, going to watch some football
could you explain the differences?
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well we have only 6 events here per year so club racing, which is every 2 weeks, is all we get....and thats winter only, no summer on-road, better than nothing. we dont have the opportunities like you guys to the south for r/c running
Wish I could get over that way and run with you guys
21.5 that's like BIGBLOCK VTA lol I bet they are fun and fast
If your local track uses them that's just fine as long as everyone
Is using a set of guidelines and your all following them .
That's the sprit of VTA " controlled fair equal racing"

The thing about the USVTA is I can go to any state that is having
A VTA race and throw my car down and race and bee a legal car
This is how the class has been growing
ROB K and the rest of the guys that made these rules are
FRIGGIN BRILLIANT And thank you all btw
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Old 11-17-2012, 11:19 AM   #2728
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Im pretty sure those are old rules. Last roar race I saw was 25.5 for vta. But like everything ROAR related, finding the actual new rules is not as easy as a search. I just searched their site and couldnt find their ruling

thanks Monkey..I prefer USVTA myself, but have to run whatever the club decides.

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our rules

CTA

Motor: 21.5 Brushless motor ROAR Approved or silver can USGT
ESC: No ESC timing or boost. USGT
Battery: ROAR approved 2S Li-po hard case batteries only USGT
Tires: HPI VTA Spec tires USGT or VTA
Weight: Minimum weight 1450g USGT
Bodies: Vintage Trans-Am spec bodies only. Driver and/or lights preferred, but not required.USGT or VTA
So really your just running a restricted USGT class. Not a VTA class




USGT Class Rules and Specifications
Chassis Specification:
Any 1/10 4wd or Fwd sedan with 4 wheel independent suspension.

Weight Specification:
4wd 1450g weight Fwd 1200g weight

Body Specifications:
Any 190mm or 200mm body. Body can be any body that is NOT on the ROAR T2 body list. FWD encouraged to use FWD bodies However, Can AM or IMSA style bodies, similar to 1/12 or 1/8 bodies are also discouraged NO Trucks
Any "SCALE" molded wings can be used. Lexan wings 10mm maximum height / side dam height
Scale type race liveries encouraged

Tire & Wheel Specifications:
Tires-Any treaded (non slick) non belted rubber tire available 24 or 26mm. Removing belts from belted tires is not allowed. Must used a non-molded (ex. open cell foam) insert or no insert. Grinding of tire tread is NOT permitted. Sanding of mold seam to remove seam is allowed.
Wheels- Any 24 or 26mm spoke (non-dish) type wheel

While the above is the ideal for this class, a track, event, or series may approve a premounted tire, slick tires being acceptable. A spoked wheel is encouraged if possible for premounted tires


Ride Height Specification:
Minimum ride height is 5mm.



Motor Specifications:
21.5 + 2s lipo batteries No tuning rotors, must use OEM rotor 12.3-12.5mm

Approved ESCs:
ESC ROAR approved spec software or USVTA list

Race Specification:
6 minute qualifiers
8 minute mains

Battery Specifications:
ROAR approved hard case batteries
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