Originally Posted by EddieO
Anyone who thinks a mod touring car is as fast as a pro10 is nuts. When brushed was near its end, we had a pro10 we had built for 2004 Onroad Nats in portland, as they were trying to revive the class using 4 cell 19t...we got bored one day and put six cells in it and a 7t v2. My indoor onroad carpet track was pretty big, 100+ foot straight, 60 feet wide.....laps were mid 10s with a mod touring car. Track record was Travis Schreven, Multiple time national champ, fully sponsored Xray driver....Peter Robinson was right behind him. They each ran the car, both slaughtering the lap record by almost a second....with a car setup for asphalt! They beat it in less than a battery pack each, on a car only peter had drove a few times 3 years earlier.
The car died that day, when Trav hit the end of the straight at full speed......exploded the entire front end.
Mod Pro10 is undriveable in a worse fashion than mod foam touring was for 99.999% of the population...and even for those .001%, one mistake and the car is typically dead.
Sure you can strap in a 7t brushed and have a go but did they use those motors in a dedicated pro10 modified class or was it only for that one instance in a practise/fun session. (just curious)
Personaly I haven't heard of anyone using a 7t brushed in a pro10 modified class . ..at least not what i remember from other drivers. I could be wrong though and will surely ask around.
But my question about if those modified pancars back then were really too fast was more about the pancars on a normal asphalt circuit. Hence the movie in my previous post. Not on a small circuit where they use wooden barriers. If you are driving modified on a small carpet tracks then it is indeed nuts and not a good example of how to make a class work. A slower class is needed there. I totaly agree with you i can imagine it was too fast there for anyone then 99% of the drivers. It's a none discussion point.
I was more curious if those stories are realy true or that people just remember the m to be fast.
I do know how fast a pancar can be. I drive one myself. We don't need a modified motor to beat modified tc's. A 10.5t and 2s lipo with some dynamic timing is enough.
Comparing a (modified) tc against a pancar with 10.5t and 2s is comparing apples with oranges but it is only to show how fast the laptimes are. (before getting flamed you can't compare the two)
Our weight limit is 1200 grams. The weight of my car is around 1230-1250 grams depending on big or smaller tires and type of body. So my car is usually only 120 grams lighter then the tc's. I know of others that are of simillar weight in our class.
It doesn't matter if it is on big 1/8 tracks or small basketball court 1/10 circuits. Imagine that we drive for 7 minutes and the modified only 5 minutes and everyone is amazed how much speed these cars have with 60-70 degrees C on the motor after 7 minutes runtime.
Reason we adopted the 10.5t was that back then the tc's were using those with 5 cells. Not knowing the whole dynamic timing thing would come up but it seems to have really settled now.
The oompf out of the corners is a lot less making driving them easier while retaining some of the excitement of going fast on the straight. (which can be pretty long here)
On outdoor tracks these cars are very drivable. Our nationals have a good selection of small and big tracks. The cars work good everywhere as long as the traction is not all too dramatic and you have at least a day to practise at the track. There was only one track where the cars didn't hook up due to the substrate that was pulverising. (they used a kind of tarmac coating and for some reason the toplayer is pulverising so everything is coverd in a permanent dust). It was the only race i could not attend but i heard they were all over the place there which made quite a poor show of what a pancar can do.
The modified pro10 are in a league of their own and are as fast as 1/8 nitro. It depends on the type of circuit if they are faster or not. once again it is apples with oranges but only to show how fast the cars are.
Last year indoor season we went from 13.5t to 17.5t and 2s and it made things more relaxing. 13.5t 2s and dynamic timing was way too fast for the track size.
This year they changed the layout a little so i wanted to try out 1s and a 10.5t to see how that goes. (you can use either a 10.5t with 1s or a 17.5t 2s) Talking is cheap so i wanted to see what 1s was all about on the track and to have a 1:1 comparisson. I even bought a hobbywing 120A 1s for it.
(I wanted to use one piece of my 2s saddlepack to use as a 1s battery and prepped my db10rr for it. )
Saddly 2 weeks later private stuff intervened and i can not drive for the whole indoor season. Some changed to 1/12 as they felt the cars were indeed too big for such a small circuit and others seem to have private matter to attend too as well so the class is not really taking off this winter.