T3 2011 is slower then TC6, S411
10-20-2011, 07:38 AM
#46
I found something interesting. Many people claimed that a new car (the same car) runs faster then old car. So why not a different car can run faster??
Many people keep saying setup setup setup + driving driving driving ....... I know how important the setup and driving are but you will reach the optimal setup one day and your driving skill is limited. If you race and play rc car for 20 years like me. You know what is your limit. At a point, you will harder get any improvement. I know no matter how I work hard, I won't be as fast as Marc cuz already 20 years. If you can run 13 sec this is your fastest lap for a year. You harder can go below. Do you agree?? if not, show me. do the "setup + driving" see if you can go below your 13sec. I bet you can't. So the 13sec with you t3 is your limit.
So what should you do? Is to change the car. Of course there is no guarantee that you will run faster with your new car. You will need to observe what car works the best for you on your track. You need a upgrade your weapon.
I'm trying to let you guys know what I found and share it. Hope everyone improve their lap time. Don't be stubborn. It only makes you slow.
Many people keep saying setup setup setup + driving driving driving ....... I know how important the setup and driving are but you will reach the optimal setup one day and your driving skill is limited. If you race and play rc car for 20 years like me. You know what is your limit. At a point, you will harder get any improvement. I know no matter how I work hard, I won't be as fast as Marc cuz already 20 years. If you can run 13 sec this is your fastest lap for a year. You harder can go below. Do you agree?? if not, show me. do the "setup + driving" see if you can go below your 13sec. I bet you can't. So the 13sec with you t3 is your limit.
So what should you do? Is to change the car. Of course there is no guarantee that you will run faster with your new car. You will need to observe what car works the best for you on your track. You need a upgrade your weapon.
I'm trying to let you guys know what I found and share it. Hope everyone improve their lap time. Don't be stubborn. It only makes you slow.
10-20-2011, 08:08 AM
#47
Nothing against Buckaroo here, but I had a TC5 for two years, before switching to the TC6 last november and my laptimes didn't improve like that! Maybe one tenth, but not proven. This also shows where I am in the races. Around 5-7 place with the TC5, now 3-6 with the TC6. If I had gained 4 tenth I would dominate my class like Vettel the F1!
Most time gain is on a 5 minute run, but that comes from making less mistakes because the car is much easier to drive. And that is maybe also the time gain on one lap! And the TC5 was a diva!
The only thing I can imagine is that the T3 does not fit your driving style. Just change cars with your friends and test it for yourself.
Most time gain is on a 5 minute run, but that comes from making less mistakes because the car is much easier to drive. And that is maybe also the time gain on one lap! And the TC5 was a diva!
The only thing I can imagine is that the T3 does not fit your driving style. Just change cars with your friends and test it for yourself.
Now This is what I'm talking about. Your skill is limited, the car makes it different. It is a matter the different is big or small. I don't believe all car has the exact same lap time. Some must be slower and some must be faster for you.
10-20-2011, 08:26 AM
#48
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You know what, I will have to agree with the t/s. As a matter of fact, I would like to help you get the TC6. Why don't you shoot me a PM for the price of that t3 '11. Make it fair, since it's slower than the TC6 and Serpent.....and worn out. Let's say 200 shipped??? That way, another 180 and you got yourself a brand spanking new TC6......
10-20-2011, 08:30 AM
#49
Although the cars are very adjustable, the adjustments are finite.
The perfect setup may be out there, but not everyone has the time or funds to find it.
Therefore it's not surprising to find that one car is faster in a drivers hands than another. Doesn't mean that car will be faster for everyone.
The perfect setup may be out there, but not everyone has the time or funds to find it.
Therefore it's not surprising to find that one car is faster in a drivers hands than another. Doesn't mean that car will be faster for everyone.
10-20-2011, 09:04 AM
#50
to me its all about driver then setup. my friend and i both bought our T3 11 at the same time. initially when we started, we were both on the same level (its hard to really quantify if you are on parr but the litmus test for us was similar setup - we used the setup proposed in the manual and when we were on the track, neither one of us could either pull far ahead or drop far behind). as he became more skilled and i want to say probably more track time 
, he has become a better driver and even if he started behind me, he would pass me then pull ahead. next we decided to setup one car (mine) so that it would best suit the track we are on, his car was stock, this time i was able to keep up. but when we swapped cars, and i drove the stock setup and he drove the one with the new setup, he was even faster!!. so, i concluded that i am not a good driver 
, he was a better driver and secondly, setups are important.
i am also of the opinion (maybe there is no truth to this), that some drivers are what we call natural drivers, you can give them any car and they can drive it very well. some drivers however, tend to do really well with one model and setup but if you give them another model they will not do well.
, he has become a better driver and even if he started behind me, he would pass me then pull ahead. next we decided to setup one car (mine) so that it would best suit the track we are on, his car was stock, this time i was able to keep up. but when we swapped cars, and i drove the stock setup and he drove the one with the new setup, he was even faster!!. so, i concluded that i am not a good driver , he was a better driver and secondly, setups are important.i am also of the opinion (maybe there is no truth to this), that some drivers are what we call natural drivers, you can give them any car and they can drive it very well. some drivers however, tend to do really well with one model and setup but if you give them another model they will not do well.
10-20-2011, 09:27 AM
#51
This tells me different car has different lap time. Now you can get a trophy of third. I think if your track has higher traction. The different is more obvious cuz TC6 is an aggressive car.
Now This is what I'm talking about. Your skill is limited, the car makes it different. It is a matter the different is big or small. I don't believe all car has the exact same lap time. Some must be slower and some must be faster for you.
Now This is what I'm talking about. Your skill is limited, the car makes it different. It is a matter the different is big or small. I don't believe all car has the exact same lap time. Some must be slower and some must be faster for you.
10-20-2011, 09:37 AM
#52
to me its all about driver then setup. my friend and i both bought our T3 11 at the same time. initially when we started, we were both on the same level (its hard to really quantify if you are on parr but the litmus test for us was similar setup - we used the setup proposed in the manual and when we were on the track, neither one of us could either pull far ahead or drop far behind). as he became more skilled and i want to say probably more track time , he has become a better driver and even if he started behind me, he would pass me then pull ahead. next we decided to setup one car (mine) so that it would best suit the track we are on, his car was stock, this time i was able to keep up. but when we swapped cars, and i drove the stock setup and he drove the one with the new setup, he was even faster!!. so, i concluded that i am not a good driver , he was a better driver and secondly, setups are important.
i am also of the opinion (maybe there is no truth to this), that some drivers are what we call natural drivers, you can give them any car and they can drive it very well. some drivers however, tend to do really well with one model and setup but if you give them another model they will not do well.
, he has become a better driver and even if he started behind me, he would pass me then pull ahead. next we decided to setup one car (mine) so that it would best suit the track we are on, his car was stock, this time i was able to keep up. but when we swapped cars, and i drove the stock setup and he drove the one with the new setup, he was even faster!!. so, i concluded that i am not a good driver , he was a better driver and secondly, setups are important.i am also of the opinion (maybe there is no truth to this), that some drivers are what we call natural drivers, you can give them any car and they can drive it very well. some drivers however, tend to do really well with one model and setup but if you give them another model they will not do well.
10-20-2011, 10:19 AM
#53
I found something interesting. Many people claimed that a new car (the same car) runs faster then old car. So why not a different car can run faster??
So what should you do? Is to change the car. Of course there is no guarantee that you will run faster with your new car. You will need to observe what car works the best for you on your track. You need a upgrade your weapon.
So what should you do? Is to change the car. Of course there is no guarantee that you will run faster with your new car. You will need to observe what car works the best for you on your track. You need a upgrade your weapon.
Run both 417 and T3'11 for nearly a year. I know both cars very well as far as set up. Run them back to back twice a week..no matter what you do they feel fundamentally different, totally different, just a matter to find which suits best
10-20-2011, 10:34 AM
#54
If you read my beginning post, a easy to drive car is also define as a faster car. This is very true for avg drivers. Even they both at the same fastest lap time, a easier drive car is still faster at the end, so not all cars are the same. Some are faster.
10-20-2011, 10:40 AM
#55
Agree, but no one wants to listen
Run both 417 and T3'11 for nearly a year. I know both cars very well as far as set up. Run them back to back twice a week..no matter what you do they feel fundamentally different, totally different, just a matter to find which suits best
Run both 417 and T3'11 for nearly a year. I know both cars very well as far as set up. Run them back to back twice a week..no matter what you do they feel fundamentally different, totally different, just a matter to find which suits best
10-20-2011, 12:47 PM
#56
I own and have been messing with both cars lately. There doesn't seem to be any possible way to make one feel like the other. If I could get a car that turns like the Tamiya and has the stability of the XRay, that would be perfect. I know people will go on about how it's all in setup, but I've kind of come to the conclusion that they're full of *ish.
10-20-2011, 02:01 PM
#57
+1
I own and have been messing with both cars lately. There doesn't seem to be any possible way to make one feel like the other. If I could get a car that turns like the Tamiya and has the stability of the XRay, that would be perfect. I know people will go on about how it's all in setup, but I've kind of come to the conclusion that they're full of *ish.
I own and have been messing with both cars lately. There doesn't seem to be any possible way to make one feel like the other. If I could get a car that turns like the Tamiya and has the stability of the XRay, that would be perfect. I know people will go on about how it's all in setup, but I've kind of come to the conclusion that they're full of *ish.
Can't even get two cars of the same make to feel exactly the same. Guess thats why the Nascar guys bring a couple of cars to the track.
10-20-2011, 02:29 PM
#58
Agree, but no one wants to listen
Run both 417 and T3'11 for nearly a year. I know both cars very well as far as set up. Run them back to back twice a week..no matter what you do they feel fundamentally different, totally different, just a matter to find which suits best
Run both 417 and T3'11 for nearly a year. I know both cars very well as far as set up. Run them back to back twice a week..no matter what you do they feel fundamentally different, totally different, just a matter to find which suits best
+1
I own and have been messing with both cars lately. There doesn't seem to be any possible way to make one feel like the other. If I could get a car that turns like the Tamiya and has the stability of the XRay, that would be perfect. I know people will go on about how it's all in setup, but I've kind of come to the conclusion that they're full of *ish.
I own and have been messing with both cars lately. There doesn't seem to be any possible way to make one feel like the other. If I could get a car that turns like the Tamiya and has the stability of the XRay, that would be perfect. I know people will go on about how it's all in setup, but I've kind of come to the conclusion that they're full of *ish.
Perhaps it would be better to say, some cars are faster in the hands of my friends.
If you believe that your choice of car is the problem, why did you bother posting this at all, why not just get the same car as them?
Perhaps the new T3'12 will be 'faster' than the others
10-20-2011, 02:56 PM
#59
Common Sense
This question has a simple answer. I am sure this has been said before but I have to back up the person with the original post.
- Driver
- Setup
- Rolling Chassis
Some cars just work better on different surfaces than others. I don't just mean asphalt vs carpet but minor surface changes. Some Chassis work better on tight layouts vs layouts with long high speed corners. I run BMWCCA autocross and some weeks I lose to the same guy I beat the previous week because his chassis works better on a particular layout or bite condition. The TC6 was primarily designed on high bite asphalt at my local track so it works very well at that track. For anybody to say one chassis is not better than another for a certain track and it is only driver and setup is wrong. The TC6 will indeed be better than other chassis in some situations and it will be worse in others. In motorsport it is impossible to make every chassis perfect for every condition. The differences are minimal because of the large tuning range of an RC Chassis but there are differences none the less.
- Driver
- Setup
- Rolling Chassis
Some cars just work better on different surfaces than others. I don't just mean asphalt vs carpet but minor surface changes. Some Chassis work better on tight layouts vs layouts with long high speed corners. I run BMWCCA autocross and some weeks I lose to the same guy I beat the previous week because his chassis works better on a particular layout or bite condition. The TC6 was primarily designed on high bite asphalt at my local track so it works very well at that track. For anybody to say one chassis is not better than another for a certain track and it is only driver and setup is wrong. The TC6 will indeed be better than other chassis in some situations and it will be worse in others. In motorsport it is impossible to make every chassis perfect for every condition. The differences are minimal because of the large tuning range of an RC Chassis but there are differences none the less.
10-20-2011, 05:34 PM
#60
+1
I own and have been messing with both cars lately. There doesn't seem to be any possible way to make one feel like the other. If I could get a car that turns like the Tamiya and has the stability of the XRay, that would be perfect. I know people will go on about how it's all in setup, but I've kind of come to the conclusion that they're full of *ish.
I own and have been messing with both cars lately. There doesn't seem to be any possible way to make one feel like the other. If I could get a car that turns like the Tamiya and has the stability of the XRay, that would be perfect. I know people will go on about how it's all in setup, but I've kind of come to the conclusion that they're full of *ish.
The reason I have persisted with the two cars is I feel both have very positive attributes and I'm looking to understand why, and get a car which has the best of both. Usually the Xray is quicker but if I can get the Tamiya stable enough its the quickest car of all