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Old 01-03-2012, 06:12 PM   #1126
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Could anyone help to give me some advice?

The current layout of the track I'm playing contains lots of short straights then U-turns.

My T3 2012 is lacking mid-corner steering and also experiencing on-power push. Seems the rear is dialed too much.

I'm using basic asphalt setup except with 3000t rear diff oil and 1mm inner camber link shim both front & rear. Have tried using smaller deg of diff oil but push even hard.
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Could anyone help to give me some advice?

The current layout of the track I'm playing contains lots of short straights then U-turns.

My T3 2012 is lacking mid-corner steering and also experiencing on-power push. Seems the rear is dialed too much.

I'm using basic asphalt setup except with 3000t rear diff oil and 1mm inner camber link shim both front & rear. Have tried using smaller deg of diff oil but push even hard.
Try 5000 in the dif and long camber links in the rear that should free up the rear end.
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Old 01-03-2012, 07:53 PM   #1128
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Try 5000 in the dif and long camber links in the rear that should free up the rear end.
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Thanks! In other words I should try to lower the rear roll center, right?
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Old 01-03-2012, 07:58 PM   #1129
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Thanks! In other words I should try to lower the rear roll center, right?
longer link = less camber gain, thicker oil should free up rear or make it drift a little and a longer link
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Ive never been so happy with a touring car before. This is an amazing car.
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Thanks! In other words I should try to lower the rear roll center, right?
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Old 01-03-2012, 08:06 PM   #1132
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Ive never been so happy with a touring car before. This is an amazing car.
After the light blue nightmare, I swear I hear angels sing every time this car touches the track.
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Old 01-03-2012, 08:08 PM   #1133
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After the light blue nightmare, I swear I hear angels sing every time this car touches the track.
You know it, two years wasted for me haha. I ran a TC6 the last 6 months or so and that was better, but then the 2012 came along and WOW.
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Old 01-03-2012, 08:21 PM   #1134
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You know it, two years wasted for me haha. I ran a TC6 the last 6 months or so and that was better, but then the 2012 came along and WOW.
I want a mulligan on Snowbirds '11. I never knew a car could traction roll going in a straight line.

Anyway, the '12 is great. Mine's actually got too much grip right now, and doesn't seem to roll enough. I'm gonna put the XRay shocks back on for racing this week, and then start trying to figure that out.
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Old 01-03-2012, 09:16 PM   #1135
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OK here we go...

Making the top links longer in front does what ?

Longer links lowers the roll center, also less camber gain and typically decreases traction

Making the top links longer in rear does what ?

Longer links lowers the roll center, also less camber gain and typically decreases traction

Adding shims to the front inner link on bulk head does what?

Flatter links lowers the roll center, also less camber gain and typically decreases traction

Adding shims to the outer front link on the c hub does what?

More angled links will raise the roll center, provides more camber gain and typically increases traction

Adding shims to the inner rear ling on the bulk head does what?

Flatter links lowers the roll center, also less camber gain and typically decreases traction

Adding shims to the outer rear link on the hub does what?

More angled links will raise the roll center, provides more camber gain and typically increases traction

Making the front wider then the rear does what?

Increasing the track width will make that end of the car more stable and will typically generate less lateral grip.

Making the rear wider then the front does what?

Increasing the track width will make that end of the car more stable and will typically generate less lateral grip.

Flatter links in general are considered stiffer and angled links are considered softer...

Remember whatever change you do will effect the overall balance of the car, so you are not just effecting one side or end of the car!
Can you explain how changing the link length changes the roll centre if the angle stays the same?
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It makes the camber gain slower. numbing that end.
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Could anyone help to give me some advice?

The current layout of the track I'm playing contains lots of short straights then U-turns.

My T3 2012 is lacking mid-corner steering and also experiencing on-power push. Seems the rear is dialed too much.

I'm using basic asphalt setup except with 3000t rear diff oil and 1mm inner camber link shim both front & rear. Have tried using smaller deg of diff oil but push even hard.
Shortening the wheelbase is also something that I try on tight tracks - may not always suit but is worth a try.
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Could anyone help to give me some advice?

The current layout of the track I'm playing contains lots of short straights then U-turns.

My T3 2012 is lacking mid-corner steering and also experiencing on-power push. Seems the rear is dialed too much.

I'm using basic asphalt setup except with 3000t rear diff oil and 1mm inner camber link shim both front & rear. Have tried using smaller deg of diff oil but push even hard.
How soft did you go with the rear diff oil?

Most of the indoor setups I've seen seem to like 450 oils in the shocks.
You could also try softer front springs.
My experience on Friday while talking to better drivers was to make the front shocks more vertical to get the front tyres to bite to prevent understeer.
Not sure if that's better just for corner entry.
Also make sure you are running the shortest top links at the front.
Perhaps lengthen the rears and reduce rear toe to free the back end up.

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How soft did you go with the rear diff oil?

Most of the indoor setups I've seen seem to like 450 oils in the shocks.
You could also try softer front springs.
My experience on Friday while talking to better drivers was to make the front shocks more vertical to get the front tyres to bite to prevent understeer.
Not sure if that's better just for corner entry.
Also make sure you are running the shortest top links at the front.
Perhaps lengthen the rears and reduce rear toe to free the back end up.

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I've tried softer front spring but that only leads to more push during corner entry in a U-turn. Harder front spring seems better.
For sure I'm running the shortest top links at the front since it's the default asphalt setting.

Thanks!
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