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Old 11-10-2011, 11:25 AM   #376
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Has anyone else had any problems with the rear 52 mm axles hitting the rear gear diff when not using a shim for additional toe? I'm in the process of building mine and have noticed it looks like it's not going to be able to adjust to 2 degrees of toe in the rear? The car comes with 1 degree built into it and I want to use my 1degree outside toe block to give it a total of two degrees but just looking at it I think the driveshafts are too long?

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Read the instructions..It does say that if you are going to use less than 2.5 deg rear toe in..You do have to use the "optional" 50mm shafts as it will bind.
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I have 52's all the way around my car and have been running them since the Xray gear diffs came out. At Vegas I ran 3 degree rear toe and camber and not binding issues.

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Old 11-10-2011, 01:52 PM   #378
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Optimized shock tower shock positions for increased on-power steering and improved high-traction handling


Does anyone know if hole one and two on the new shock towers leave the shock more inclined or declined.

Front?

Rear?
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Hole one leaves the shock more declined.

The 2nd inner hole of the '12 new shock tower is the same as hole one on the '11.

Xray have removed one upper hole and included a lower one, and removed the roll centre holder.
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Old 11-10-2011, 07:38 PM   #380
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i would'nt go there, these guys will go nuts. you would be better off talking about there mothers, or first born
im not insulting anybody im half way through my build of my 12 and i cant be more excited and have faith this car will perform its just little things like that are a bit annoying to me ...its more like constructive criticism
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Old 11-10-2011, 10:56 PM   #381
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also is there a way of fitting robson spurs on this car?
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Old 11-11-2011, 07:16 AM   #382
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I've seen people use the Robinsons in the past, however, not recently as most choose to go with the more precise direct fitting units from Xray, RW, PRS, etc
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Old 11-11-2011, 07:19 AM   #383
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Kits arrived at LHS in Connecticut and were sold in 24 hours. I just completed the build and with 25 years experience in this hobby, this is my first X-Ray.

I write this because I know there are others out there who can't justify the price or see no reason why other cars that look similar could be any different. I finally bit the bullet and bought this one.

I CANNOT BELIEVE THE QUALITY. There is no comparison. Now I totally understand why every part is double the price. My Associated TC5 looks similar but wow, what a difference. The xray needs no shims to take up play anywhere, the parts fit together with aircraft tolerances. Just the ball links alone are amazing. I have never seen a car with zero slop or play in the steering yet not binding. The bell cranks don't move up and down with bearing slop. Quality of the chassis carbon fiber is beautiful, the shocks, which most are concerned about being plastic are incredibly smooth and the design is "out of the box thinking".

I love the fact that someone finally put together a kit that as you build it, exactly what you need is in the bag. I didn't have to search through molded parts trees that spanned half a work bench, searching. Most of the screws are similar lengths...thats so nice. The gear diff is really light weight, and so is the whole car for that matter. The belts are far higher quality and the kevlar threads are quite obvious in the construction. Rubber bladders in the shocks are so supple and soft. Very thick shock shafts, and pistons.

The car has flawless geometry, amazing suspension travel. None of the plastic parts feel cheap and brittle but instead feel like some space age blend of xray magic. I think more aluminum would simply be a waste.

Also, none of the parts needed to be reamed. All the suspension pins fit so well in the parts that when you slide them through, it feels almost like a lubricant is there or a vacuum. Zero play, zero stick, zero bind.

Lastly, the complexity of this car renders is very simple to work on. I used to curse at other cars that removing two screws which were very hard to get to would result in a ton of parts falling apart on the tc5. What a pain to put back together, trying to juggle a arms, pins, shims, washers, nuts and roll center bulkhead mounts. The xray is like a dream.

I spent so much extra money on the other 1/10 scale touring cars. This one needs nothing. Now I really cannot believe I was racing against these cars. No wonder these guys had the time to laugh and tell stories between heats. These cars need nothing.

I cannot wait to put this car on the track. Its going to feel like driving a Ferrari.

Every RC brand company is in business to sell kits, parts and make money. From a marketing perspective it makes sense to sell kits that break parts. It makes sense to design and improve to sell more kits each year. When you decide what it costs to design a car and build it, every aspect must be considered and many times, to cut costs, materials and manufacturing techniques are sacrificed to bring the kit and parts to market faster, for less.

Congratulations to Xray for standing above and setting the undisputed standard in this hobby. I would rather pay more up front and be done and happy, than spend less for the kit and then hundreds in upgrades, countless hours solving issues, wasting time trying to re-engineer the design, and countless days online hoping someone else has figured out how to make a car work.

I for once feel that the evolution and refinement combined with this relentless quality will lead me to have far less stress when racing, and far more enjoyment.

THIS ALONE IS WORTH THE DIFFERENCE IN PRICE. I can't believe I let the $200 dollar cost DIFFERENCE keep me from buying xray before.

I will never look at another brand of car the same way.

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I am a team driver but I can assure you there is no bias when I say that the quality of this kit is incredible. This is my 4th Xray kit and every time I build one it seems like the quality just gets better and better.
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Old 11-11-2011, 08:35 AM   #385
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The '12 is my first XRAY too. Just started building it yesterday afternoon. Everything is super precise and well finished. Can't wait to get it on the track for the first time.


BTW, I love nexusracing under $540 to my door. Shipped fast too. I'll definitely be ordering more things from there soon.
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Old 11-11-2011, 09:51 AM   #386
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Kits arrived at LHS in Connecticut and were sold in 24 hours. I just completed the build and with 25 years experience in this hobby, this is my first X-Ray.

I write this because I know there are others out there who can't justify the price or see no reason why other cars that look similar could be any different. I finally bit the bullet and bought this one.

I CANNOT BELIEVE THE QUALITY. There is no comparison. Now I totally understand why every part is double the price. My Associated TC5 looks similar but wow, what a difference. The xray needs no shims to take up play anywhere, the parts fit together with aircraft tolerances. Just the ball links alone are amazing. I have never seen a car with zero slop or play in the steering yet not binding. The bell cranks don't move up and down with bearing slop. Quality of the chassis carbon fiber is beautiful, the shocks, which most are concerned about being plastic are incredibly smooth and the design is "out of the box thinking".

I love the fact that someone finally put together a kit that as you build it, exactly what you need is in the bag. I didn't have to search through molded parts trees that spanned half a work bench, searching. Most of the screws are similar lengths...thats so nice. The gear diff is really light weight, and so is the whole car for that matter. The belts are far higher quality and the kevlar threads are quite obvious in the construction. Rubber bladders in the shocks are so supple and soft. Very thick shock shafts, and pistons.

The car has flawless geometry, amazing suspension travel. None of the plastic parts feel cheap and brittle but instead feel like some space age blend of xray magic. I think more aluminum would simply be a waste.

Also, none of the parts needed to be reamed. All the suspension pins fit so well in the parts that when you slide them through, it feels almost like a lubricant is there or a vacuum. Zero play, zero stick, zero bind.

Lastly, the complexity of this car renders is very simple to work on. I used to curse at other cars that removing two screws which were very hard to get to would result in a ton of parts falling apart on the tc5. What a pain to put back together, trying to juggle a arms, pins, shims, washers, nuts and roll center bulkhead mounts. The xray is like a dream.

I spent so much extra money on the other 1/10 scale touring cars. This one needs nothing. Now I really cannot believe I was racing against these cars. No wonder these guys had the time to laugh and tell stories between heats. These cars need nothing.

I cannot wait to put this car on the track. Its going to feel like driving a Ferrari.

Every RC brand company is in business to sell kits, parts and make money. From a marketing perspective it makes sense to sell kits that break parts. It makes sense to design and improve to sell more kits each year. When you decide what it costs to design a car and build it, every aspect must be considered and many times, to cut costs, materials and manufacturing techniques are sacrificed to bring the kit and parts to market faster, for less.

Congratulations to Xray for standing above and setting the undisputed standard in this hobby. I would rather pay more up front and be done and happy, than spend less for the kit and then hundreds in upgrades, countless hours solving issues, wasting time trying to re-engineer the design, and countless days online hoping someone else has figured out how to make a car work.

I for once feel that the evolution and refinement combined with this relentless quality will lead me to have far less stress when racing, and far more enjoyment.

THIS ALONE IS WORTH THE DIFFERENCE IN PRICE. I can't believe I let the $200 dollar cost DIFFERENCE keep me from buying xray before.

I will never look at another brand of car the same way.

Err, so you like it then

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25 years with no xray is such a long time but at last you got what you deserve...
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I used to be (and still am) a Tamyia driver and fan.
When I got my first Xray, a used T2'009, I was totally surprised. Everybody tells you it is too expensive. But quality is incredible as are design details and spare parts are nearly not needed. Very durable.
That's why I bought a T3'012.

Raced it last weekend in our club race with basic carpet setup.
Till now I didnt think about any setup chances because the car can still go faster than I could
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Just got my kit today Am I the only one a little disappointed in the new packaging? I know it sounds stupid but i used my boxes from my 007 008 009 and my 11 to transport the car to and from the track On a serious note i am really looking forward to my build and will post up some pics when done.

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Old 11-11-2011, 03:28 PM   #390
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She is all done ....fun build too .....gonna try her out tommorow my back needs a rest from building all day...hope she runs as good as she looks
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