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Old 06-30-2012, 06:02 PM   #3016
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Thanks I will look at these items. I had not though of the spur shaft... I do have a second car that I have not finished putting together so I think I will take the motor mount and spur shaft from them (new bearings) and see if this is an issue, I will also try washers on the mount screws and see what tomorrow brings... I know that both the front end and rear end (with the belt attached) is very free.... I just think something did not get MFG correctly (a bad part if you will) it can happen... and I'm the lucking one... It is not big deal if I just find the source...
Have you checked whether your motor mount bulkhead (303051/303052) is slightly bent or twisted?

I would pop that item out and check it against something very flat.

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Old 06-30-2012, 07:29 PM   #3017
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Couldnt agree more with skiddins!
+1 if another car kit has all the pretty upgrades included that you want with a kit go get it. No one is forcing anyone to get a certain kit unless your sponsored and under contract.
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Old 06-30-2012, 08:14 PM   #3018
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The only play I found was in the vertical axis where a tiny shim could do with being fitted. As you've mnetioned, other than that they do the same job and unlike alloy won't bend. I have yet to meet anyone who has broken any, ergo, alloy versions aren't needed.



It is not needed, the plastic item that comes with the kit is far better at absorbing impacts than any amount or design of CF. If you want I can get a friend to concur as his Tamiya 417X required a new chassis after a couple of front impacts to his car.


Possible the only bit I agree with having replaced the shims to orange alloy versions myself. But you can kit yourself out with Orange items by Take Off for around $10



The only problem with the original parts here is that the composite outdrives could perhaps so with an alu sleeve to help strengthen them and the Xray alu versions could do with being wider, so they use more surface area of the blades. THere is nothing wrong with the spool pulley at all. And the current solution is a lot lighter than any alu version which loweres rotating weight.



The older Xray kits used steel, the newer kits use alu to save weight. I snapped one in 3 years, no others bent etc.



There you go, I've just saved you $130 or so, no need to thank me


No shit!



Part of the problem when comparing your 'business model' is that you haven't taken into account the fact that Xray only make racing kits, most of the others (not sure about a couple of them) also make RTR's and other crap that is mass produced and not half as good as any of their racing cars.

If Xray made such an expensive kit, they may find that people who are considering different models will actually go elsewhere due to the price.

I like the Tamiya's, but could you honestly advise someone who is getting their first 'high end' TC to get one, certainly not unless they have good spares backup and like replaceing broken parts regularly.

Xray have become a very popular RC company with well respected product lines because they are reliable and far more durable than anything else.

If they have to charge a bit extra for the additional bling that is honestly of no use then so be it.

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Old 06-30-2012, 08:18 PM   #3019
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Lol that's funny I was thinking the same exact thing. I guess I got told! Too bad 90% of my points got missed. That's ok I expect that here on tech.
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Old 06-30-2012, 11:04 PM   #3020
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On another note, have been trying the new smokem chassis, it gives more turn in and more grip than the 2.5mm one. The counter sunk holes are all made very nicely and let the screws sit into the chassis more than the standard ones so that the screws don't wear out over time.
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But bad asses be right

Anyway, I've been running the A+ racing -.5 rear pivot block , and I can't quite confirm it with myself if the toe is being changed by .5 aswell, or am I just being thick, and it stays the same?
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But bad asses be right

Anyway, I've been running the A+ racing -.5 rear pivot block , and I can't quite confirm it with myself if the toe is being changed by .5 aswell, or am I just being thick, and it stays the same?
You have to run 0.5mm less shims, or you end up with .5mm too much toe in.
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Cheers, something I overlooked as I swapped it for the standard XRAY item....
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Lol that's funny I was thinking the same exact thing. I guess I got told! Too bad 90% of my points got missed. That's ok I expect that here on tech.


You guys crack me up..... for all the wrong reasons

How could I have missed 90% of what you were on about when I quoted it all before posting a response.

Oh well, thankfully you aren't representitive in any way of most of the Xray drivers I know.
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Old 07-01-2012, 06:09 PM   #3026
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You guys crack me up..... for all the wrong reasons

How could I have missed 90% of what you were on about when I quoted it all before posting a response.

Oh well, thankfully you aren't representitive in any way of most of the Xray drivers I know.
That's because most of you guys are enjoying the C main with your plastic parts...while the other cars are hanging laps on you. There is a Reason why companies like Tamiya provide the highest quality racing kits... because cars with plastic crap do not win world championships.
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Old 07-01-2012, 06:36 PM   #3027
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Dude....you are ridiculous!
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That's because most of you guys are enjoying the C main with your plastic parts...while the other cars are hanging laps on you. There is a Reason why companies like Tamiya provide the highest quality racing kits... because cars with plastic crap do not win world championships.
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That's because most of you guys are enjoying the C main with your plastic parts...while the other cars are hanging laps on you. There is a Reason why companies like Tamiya provide the highest quality racing kits... because cars with plastic crap do not win world championships.
Actually in 17.5 and 13.5 run today the winner of the main was running stock shocks. oh and he is sponsored by xray. I checked with second place, plastic. I checked with the winner of mod plastic. I challenge you to come run against any of these guys as I know we have 3 roar champions who run at our track regularly. All of them run Xray cars and all of them are running plastic shocks. I do know Paul runs the aluminum but no one is really keeping up with Paul and you can give Paul a car with the plastic shocks and we still arent going to keep.

Now I know you said most but I know guys who have bought every option out there spent tons and still run in the c-main. I know people who can barely afford the car run it stock with minimal upgrades and run it like a banshee.
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Actually in 17.5 and 13.5 run today the winner of the main was running stock shocks. oh and he is sponsored by xray. I checked with second place, plastic. I checked with the winner of mod plastic. I challenge you to come run against any of these guys as I know we have 3 roar champions who run at our track regularly. All of them run Xray cars and all of them are running plastic shocks. I do know Paul runs the aluminum but no one is really keeping up with Paul and you can give Paul a car with the plastic shocks and we still arent going to keep.

Now I know you said most but I know guys who have bought every option out there spent tons and still run in the c-main. I know people who can barely afford the car run it stock with minimal upgrades and run it like a banshee.
I don't know too many drivers that can afford to upgrade shocks on their Xrays when there are so many other places to spend that money in RC. I run the plastics shocks as well and with some work they work fine, but mostly because they are such an expensive upgrade to the car. Look, my post was a bit tongue and cheek...but obviously I have my own views and experiences with lots and lots of different kits. I will drop the topic, as I am sure people are over it, but in the end my whole point was this...Xray builds a great car, but becuase Xray parts are so expensive it purposely has to leave higher quality parts out of the kit to compete with the other competition. And I personally don't like that.
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I don't know too many drivers that can afford to upgrade shocks on their Xrays when there are so many other places to spend that money in RC. I run the plastics shocks as well and with some work they work fine, but mostly because they are such an expensive upgrade to the car. Look, my post was a bit tongue and cheek...but obviously I have my own views and experiences with lots and lots of different kits. I will drop the topic, as I am sure people are over it, but in the end my whole point was this...Xray builds a great car, but becuase Xray parts are so expensive it purposely has to leave higher quality parts out of the kit to compete with the other competition.
Ahh. Well all I am saying is these guys have the chance to purchase some parts here and there for less than you and I and they have opted for other options first. They are fast too.

The options that most of us have opted to go with are options on 99% of kit cars. A lot of people have gone with different options and keep going back close to that stock setup. The only real options I am sticking with is a thinner chassis, the center servo support, and the hagberg mod.

People have to pay for these items on all chassis. Some cars don't offer these mods either. The hagberg mod isn't really a paying mod either. Oh and sorry I changed to ECS front driveshafts and 50mm bones in the rear (due to hagberg...but there is a way around it if your willing to ruin a set of bones and be very careful)
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