The 2012 Snowbird Nationals: 01/31/12 - 2/05/12
02-10-2012, 07:30 AM
#361
I spent 1500 bucks, a week of vacation time off of work and got almost no sleep for a week. Raced 18 hours a day. Qualified top 3 in the 3 classes I tried in, only to have all that time and work wasted/ruined on the first lap by other drivers. It almost makes me not want to go to any more races that are not triple A mains.
This has happened to me almost countless times at the Snowbirds and other Big races without triple A's. It almost makes me consider the TQ of the class the winner because the mains are more luck than skill a lot of the time.
Apoligies after the race for ruining my whole week are not going to cut it any more. I'm going to start treating others as I have been treated on starts. Unfortunate as it is this attitude is going to trickle down and make mains awful imo.
IMO if the race does not have triple A mains they should restart Mains where multiple people get peeled on the first lap.
Last edited by L.Fairtrace; 02-10-2012 at 07:43 AM.
02-10-2012, 07:42 AM
#362
triple A mains is my vote as well...
But I also agree with a restart for pile ups or peels in the 1st lap...at the USVTA Scale Nats and Southern Nats last year...If it wasnt clean at the start, we restarted, and it made for some better racing...and also made for more of a clear winner...
I understand being on TQ and have to start from 7 or 8th on the 1st lap and work back up front...but it is possible, but alot of work...alot
But I also agree with a restart for pile ups or peels in the 1st lap...at the USVTA Scale Nats and Southern Nats last year...If it wasnt clean at the start, we restarted, and it made for some better racing...and also made for more of a clear winner...
I understand being on TQ and have to start from 7 or 8th on the 1st lap and work back up front...but it is possible, but alot of work...alot
02-10-2012, 11:18 AM
#365
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02-10-2012, 11:30 AM
#366
Why dont they use qual points indoors?
02-10-2012, 11:38 AM
#367
The argument goes both ways. I realize the time invested, but personally I'd rather get peeled once versus 3 times 
As well as true one set of tires versus 3, time my charge on one battery versus 3, etc, etc.
And what if that peel broke your car? Then you have to thrash wrench your car back together, all while probably running other classes... for my $ that's not fun anymore, in which case like we talked about Larry, we might as well go do something else
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As well as true one set of tires versus 3, time my charge on one battery versus 3, etc, etc.
And what if that peel broke your car? Then you have to thrash wrench your car back together, all while probably running other classes... for my $ that's not fun anymore, in which case like we talked about Larry, we might as well go do something else
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02-10-2012, 12:12 PM
#368
this is a good class to get into if you dont want triple A mains 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKZNs82bdcs
triple A mains 5 mins races dash to the end three times
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKZNs82bdcs
triple A mains 5 mins races dash to the end three times
02-10-2012, 12:43 PM
#369
The argument goes both ways. I realize the time invested, but personally I'd rather get peeled once versus 3 times
As well as true one set of tires versus 3, time my charge on one battery versus 3, etc, etc.
And what if that peel broke your car? Then you have to thrash wrench your car back together, all while probably running other classes... for my $ that's not fun anymore, in which case like we talked about Larry, we might as well go do something else.
As well as true one set of tires versus 3, time my charge on one battery versus 3, etc, etc.
And what if that peel broke your car? Then you have to thrash wrench your car back together, all while probably running other classes... for my $ that's not fun anymore, in which case like we talked about Larry, we might as well go do something else
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02-10-2012, 12:50 PM
#370
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I really dont know how anyone can disagree with triple A mains.
I spent 1500 bucks, a week of vacation time off of work and got almost no sleep for a week. Raced 18 hours a day. Qualified top 3 in the 3 classes I tried in, only to have all that time and work wasted/ruined on the first lap by other drivers. It almost makes me not want to go to any more races that are not triple A mains.
This has happened to me almost countless times at the Snowbirds and other Big races without triple A's. It almost makes me consider the TQ of the class the winner because the mains are more luck than skill a lot of the time.
Apoligies after the race for ruining my whole week are not going to cut it any more. I'm going to start treating others as I have been treated on starts. Unfortunate as it is this attitude is going to trickle down and make mains awful imo.
IMO if the race does not have triple A mains they should restart Mains where multiple people get peeled on the first lap.
I spent 1500 bucks, a week of vacation time off of work and got almost no sleep for a week. Raced 18 hours a day. Qualified top 3 in the 3 classes I tried in, only to have all that time and work wasted/ruined on the first lap by other drivers. It almost makes me not want to go to any more races that are not triple A mains.
This has happened to me almost countless times at the Snowbirds and other Big races without triple A's. It almost makes me consider the TQ of the class the winner because the mains are more luck than skill a lot of the time.
Apoligies after the race for ruining my whole week are not going to cut it any more. I'm going to start treating others as I have been treated on starts. Unfortunate as it is this attitude is going to trickle down and make mains awful imo.
IMO if the race does not have triple A mains they should restart Mains where multiple people get peeled on the first lap.
Triple A mains, do not help here as the drivers are going harder and harder as we move to the last A main.
stop and go will help, but you will possibly still lose position.
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02-10-2012, 01:35 PM
#373
The argument goes both ways. I realize the time invested, but personally I'd rather get peeled once versus 3 times
As well as true one set of tires versus 3, time my charge on one battery versus 3, etc, etc.
And what if that peel broke your car? Then you have to thrash wrench your car back together, all while probably running other classes... for my $ that's not fun anymore, in which case like we talked about Larry, we might as well go do something else.
As well as true one set of tires versus 3, time my charge on one battery versus 3, etc, etc.
And what if that peel broke your car? Then you have to thrash wrench your car back together, all while probably running other classes... for my $ that's not fun anymore, in which case like we talked about Larry, we might as well go do something else
.
02-10-2012, 01:37 PM
#374
Qualify 10 people to each main and run Triple A mains. I agree with Larry at least in triple A mains you have a chance to try and redeem yourself. People make mistakes and racing incidents happen, but to work all week and have someone destroy your race is a tough pill to swallow.
02-10-2012, 01:38 PM
#375
I think for me and many others the worst is the start. I wish we had a different way to start. We are all sitting on the straight, the horn blows and everyone goes flying into the fastest corner of the track. This just sets everyone up for kill or be killed. I honestly hate qualifying at the top of the grid locally in off-road for this very reason. I can sit in the 8th or 9th position and drive around the carnage that is upfront and usually finish well. Has anyone ever tried scattering the cars in the in-field for the start?