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Old 10-13-2013, 09:55 AM   #6106
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Craig, or anyone else running the Smokem V7 upgrade.....

I have a 417x that I run in the USGT class on med grip carpet and have been thinking about getting the Smokem V7 kit for. My questions are.......

1) Would the V7 kit work well with the stock 417x chassis? If so should I sick with the stock 417x servo mounts or opt for the Smokem floating servo holder?

2) Or would I be better off with getting the V7 kit and a 417V5 chassis to use with my 417x bulkheads? (much pricier option as I would also need to get the TRF floating servo mount).

So basically I'm wondering if the V7 kit is a worth while upgrade using the stock 417x chassis on carpet?

All opinions are appreciated.
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Old 10-13-2013, 11:52 AM   #6107
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The V7 will work with the 417x you just need to add the shims (or get the Sepes bulkhead shims to make a proper non tweak solution.

I don't know if its any better on carpet (I haven't got the V7). I have the Sepes 417 kit, and initial findings is that its great on carpet It has a removable centre post on the mount so I can adjust it by adding a centre screw through the top deck, removing the screw or even removing the post.

The 417 has never felt this consistent on carpet for me, and its also faster into the corner.
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Old 10-13-2013, 12:21 PM   #6108
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NGO8 - thx. what damper do you use, new one (aeration) or the old good trf? how do you assemble it? (I mean full rebound or in line with Jill advise) could you pls pass your set up sheet to try it next time? I am really open however you say is opposite what hudy book says when traction roll exist...:-)
I tried the new damper w/o making the hole in the cup and didnt work at all :-(....

Any other advise? thanks, Marton
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Old 10-13-2013, 01:14 PM   #6109
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one more question regarding dampers - assembling as Jill pro tip -:
the softer the oil the less grip and the harder the oil the more grip? this statement both work on med asphalt and mid-high carpet? thanks
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Old 10-14-2013, 09:10 AM   #6110
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The V7 will work with the 417x you just need to add the shims (or get the Sepes bulkhead shims to make a proper non tweak solution.

I don't know if its any better on carpet (I haven't got the V7). I have the Sepes 417 kit, and initial findings is that its great on carpet It has a removable centre post on the mount so I can adjust it by adding a centre screw through the top deck, removing the screw or even removing the post.

The 417 has never felt this consistent on carpet for me, and its also faster into the corner.
Thanks for your reply Qatmix, 2 questions for you.......

Are you running your stock 417 lower chassis with the Sepes kit?

Did you switch to a floating servo mount? If so which one?

Thanks!
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Old 10-14-2013, 10:08 AM   #6111
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I'm using a regular 417 with a 417x chassis, cso servo hook, smoken v7 kit, v5 shocks. V7 kit fits the 417x perfect car has tremendous corner speed.
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Old 10-14-2013, 02:34 PM   #6112
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Quick question. I'm running a 92 spur and 49 pinion both 64p which gives me a FD of 3.65 in my 417 for 17.5 blinky, but what's the difference in running similar FD but with a smaller spur and pinion. Should I just use a smaller spur and change out pinions when track layout changes for more speed or acceleration?
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Old 10-14-2013, 03:33 PM   #6113
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Quick question. I'm running a 92 spur and 49 pinion both 64p which gives me a FD of 3.65 in my 417 for 17.5 blinky, but what's the difference in running similar FD but with a smaller spur and pinion. Should I just use a smaller spur and change out pinions when track layout changes for more speed or acceleration?
Doesn't matter what combination of gears you run or if you run both smaller, if the ratio is the same the performance of the motor will be the same.
Run a smaller spur so you have a range of FDRs you can achieve without changing the spur, just by changing the pinion.
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Old 10-14-2013, 03:45 PM   #6114
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Thanks for your reply Qatmix, 2 questions for you.......

Are you running your stock 417 lower chassis with the Sepes kit?

Did you switch to a floating servo mount? If so which one?

Thanks!
I use it on my 417v5. The Sepes and the smokem both have the chassis pin on the motor mount so you will need to drill a hole in the chassis to fit either (If you have a 417, although it should be fine on a 417x chassis plate)

Also you will need to fit 1mm shims (or the Sepes 1mm bulkhead spacers) on the original and 417x bulkheads.

As to a servo mount, I have used a CSO one on an original 417, also the tamiya one will fit but you will again need to drill a small hole for the mounting peg.
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Old 10-14-2013, 04:14 PM   #6115
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No drilled holes needed with the 417x plate. Fits like a gloove
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Doesn't matter what combination of gears you run or if you run both smaller, if the ratio is the same the performance of the motor will be the same.
Run a smaller spur so you have a range of FDRs you can achieve without changing the spur, just by changing the pinion.
Ok thanks ima try 92 and 48 which gives me a FD of 3.73 I kinda need a little more punch cause I got the speed on the straight just need it in the inside of the track.
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Ok thanks ima try 92 and 48 which gives me a FD of 3.73 I kinda need a little more punch cause I got the speed on the straight just need it in the inside of the track.
Tim if you need more punch less timing. How much timing do you have in your motor? If you go with less timing leave the gearing the same and see if you get more punch. Then gear up if you need more speed down the straight!
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Are the aluminum hop ups from 3 racing, mainly the C hubs, knuckle arms, and rear uprights, worth it? Are the tolerances good?
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Old 10-15-2013, 06:40 AM   #6119
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Are the aluminum hop ups from 3 racing, mainly the C hubs, knuckle arms, and rear uprights, worth it? Are the tolerances good?
I only bought the rear 3racing hubs. They fit really tight so it was binding the arms, but I'm sure a little sanding could have fixed it but I went back to stock since I was heavy
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Don't use aluminium suspension parts
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