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Old 05-02-2013, 01:55 PM   #5191
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layout isnt fixed yet (we're setting it all up now)... hopefully wide/fast, carpet is tight enough

grip i have no idea, new pave, never rc driven on it, sweep tires
I suggest you to try the standard set up of the v5 in addition try to put in front 1c-1csep instead of 1b-1b to have more agility in tight corners but gives you also great speed in wide corners and stability in chicanes. ride red or hpi silver all the way, and 3mm of akermann.
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PS lots depend also on the class blinky, timing, modified
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Old 05-02-2013, 02:03 PM   #5192
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i likely wont have those springs to start with, but i've got pretty much the full line of tamiya springs (currently running white/blue i'm pretty sure)
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Old 05-02-2013, 02:05 PM   #5193
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For carpet racing would i be better buying a smokem 417mx chassis, smokem 417fx chassis or a tamiya v5 chassis? Car is a 417x
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Old 05-02-2013, 05:31 PM   #5194
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Since we're talking about aspahlt setup, whats a good setup for a 417x on a large asphalt track that will be sprayed with pop? Will be running 17.5 blinky. Im pretty sure there will be 2 sweepers and 2 180 turns.
Heres a picture of last years track, the layout should be similar to last years
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f...type=3&theater
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Since we're talking about aspahlt setup, whats a good setup for a 417x on a large asphalt track that will be sprayed with pop? Will be running 17.5 blinky. Im pretty sure there will be 2 sweepers and 2 180 turns.
Heres a picture of last years track, the layout should be similar to last years
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f...type=3&theater
Kit 417x setup with HPI silver or ride red springs will be a good start. I would also run anti-dive on the front, D block on the rear, 3.5mm under the rear camber link on the bulkhead.
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Old 05-02-2013, 06:34 PM   #5196
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anti-dive i dont get yet... not how it works, or how you set it
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Old 05-02-2013, 06:38 PM   #5197
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what is anti-dive? thanks
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Old 05-02-2013, 06:43 PM   #5198
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Think how a pole vault works. It lifts the person into the air. Same with front suspension arms angled downward; when brakes applied it lifts the car up. It is not a panacea, though, because in the severe case where the car actually would lift up, the springs are not the thing holding the car up any more; it is locked up and way too stiff over any bumps encountered under heavy braking. So use it [anti-dive] in small amounts. For example to counteract SOME of the front dive you would get, but not so much as to actually lift the car up in front.
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so .5mm spacer on the front suspension mount and 1mm on the rear suspension mount is anti dive?
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You achieve anti dive by running no spacer underneath the ff block and 0.5mm underneath the fr split blocks, so the arms angle down towards the front slightly. As the name suggests, it stops the car from diving too much by taking up some of the weight transfer with the arm. It also reduces castor.

On the track it improves initial and high speed steering, and also improves braking at the expense of steering coming out of the corner - I normally find this makes the car more stable on corner exit so I run antidive basically all the time.
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i always run a bit, but i never knew what it was called. in the rear i just run .5 front/rear, is there a term for similar anti-dive in the rear, anti-squat?
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i always run a bit, but i never knew what it was called. in the rear i just run .5 front/rear, is there a term for similar anti-dive in the rear, anti-squat?
pro-squat or anti-squat depending which way the arms are angled. I never use either, always 0.5mm under both
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so im in the market for a 1/10 touring car... looking at the trf417 and trf417v5

any drawbacks on the V5?

is it worth the money to buy the V5?

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anti-squat would result in more rear traction on-power corner exit would it not?
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No offense, but I can see why you are struggling. Basically all of the changes you have made will make for an pushy/edgy car in low-med traction. Arm sweep is a classic one, it makes the car push on the way in and snap on the way out if you don't have enough grip. Same thing with the shock angles, the front laid down will push all the way till the apex and the rear laid down will make the car rotate hard and have no forward traction.

What to do:
C/c/xa/e blocks
Shocks 5/5 on towers
2k diff
2mm Ackerman
5/5.5mm ride height (or 0.5mm higher depending on how bumpy)
5.5/4.5mm droop
1.5/2 deg camber
Kit everything else (camber links, bump steer, etc)

Try that and report back
I will give that a whirl. Thanks man
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