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Old 10-11-2012, 07:28 AM   #4006
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What is the difference on the new motor mount?
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Old 10-11-2012, 09:17 AM   #4007
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My friend told me that it is lighter. Although it may be because it doesn't include the centre brace that is missing (he was told by a Tamiya rep at the model show).
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What is the difference on the new motor mount?
I wonder if these alignment pins are new? Not clear from looking at the mount itself, but more clear on the the bottom of the chassis.

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I wonder why the design has moved to Aeration shocks vs Bladder shocks. In what conditions do each type of shock excel? Anyone know?
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Honestly, it is part gimmick, part necessity for the worlds.

Typically it is claimed that Emulsion (aeration) shocks promote more traction and handle bumps better.

However, In all the experiments that I did running on-road and offroad, I found the most grip and best bump handling came from soft bladders and drilled shock caps. In the past, when we used to not drill shock caps, then emulsion shocks were better.

I read in several places that Jilles used them for increased traction, since they ran no additives, this probably is the explanation.

Now why is Tamiya offering it like this? It's just the way they have always done it from what I remember. It seems that every so often, when they release their cars, they are replicas that commemorate some big event win. Last big one was the Worlds and this car is equipped with what JG ran. Next version, they might go back to bladders, who knows.
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Honestly, it is part gimmick, part necessity for the worlds.

Typically it is claimed that Emulsion (aeration) shocks promote more traction and handle bumps better.

However, In all the experiments that I did running on-road and offroad, I found the most grip and best bump handling came from soft bladders and drilled shock caps. In the past, when we used to not drill shock caps, then emulsion shocks were better.

I read in several places that Jilles used them for increased traction, since they ran no additives, this probably is the explanation.

Now why is Tamiya offering it like this? It's just the way they have always done it from what I remember. It seems that every so often, when they release their cars, they are replicas that commemorate some big event win. Last big one was the Worlds and this car is equipped with what JG ran. Next version, they might go back to bladders, who knows.
Ct- u should have seen the factory yokomos at iic. When grip was low they ran emulsion shocks and where killing it...
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Good to know Mike. I have been playing with it a bit, but our tracks have too much grip to see a benefit my rsd6 actuallyvhas too much grip most of the time
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http://kentech.blogs.se/ and http://www.tamiya.com/japan/hobbysho...port/news1.htm for first actual pictures on the TRF417 V5 Premium Package...

In the pic it looks like the wheels are offset +2 or +4 mm. correct me if I'm wrong. Very nice looking car!
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Old 10-11-2012, 09:17 PM   #4014
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Hi All,

What do you mean by emulsion shocks? Having a hole in the top cap?

Thanks.
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What do you mean by emulsion shocks? Having a hole in the top cap?

Thanks.
The attached picture is from the TRF201 buggy. Although the parts may well be different, I think the basic design concepts will be very similar.
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can anybody reference the part numbers for the seperate suspension mounts for both the front and rear of the 417?
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can anybody reference the part numbers for the seperate suspension mounts for both the front and rear of the 417?
From Craig's blog site (http://tchub.wordpress.com):
54171 Separate Sus Mounts 1X
54172 Separate Sus Mounts 1XA/1A
54173 Separate Sus Mounts 1XB/1B
54174 Separate Sus Mounts 1XC/1C
54175 Separate Sus Mounts 1XD/1D
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From Craig's blog site (http://tchub.wordpress.com):
54171 Separate Sus Mounts 1X
54172 Separate Sus Mounts 1XA/1A
54173 Separate Sus Mounts 1XB/1B
54174 Separate Sus Mounts 1XC/1C
54175 Separate Sus Mounts 1XD/1D
do you know which are the the same track and toe as the stock 1 pieces for front and back?
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do you know which are the the same track and toe as the stock 1 pieces for front and back?
same number/letter means the same width as the 1-piece units with the same number/letter...

i.e. 1C is 1C regardless if its with the one-piece or separate blocks.
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do you know which are the the same track and toe as the stock 1 pieces for front and back?
It's in the manual, or you simply look at your car

The 417X manual says 1XA for the rear-front, 1C for the front-rear, so that would mean 54172 & 54174 respectively. Note that the split mounts are 2-in-1 (except for the 1X ones).

Various TRF team setup sheets use different blocks. In boosted 17.5, I run 1 degree less rear toe...
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