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Old 09-12-2012, 10:53 AM   #3886
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According to Jilles, more grip. Aeration just refers to the style, it has no bladder and they are bled through the screw in the shock cap.
Yeah, odd. I did see that comment from Jilles.

I don't understand the move to Aeration dampers. It's like running regular bladder shocks with air in them. Maybe it has more to do with the stroke length than the fact they mix air and oil.. who knows (I sure don't).
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Old 09-12-2012, 11:38 AM   #3887
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Anyone tried the CSO conversion kit set WC edition? it may be a solution to convert a 417x to a WX?
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Old 09-12-2012, 03:05 PM   #3888
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Yeah, odd. I did see that comment from Jilles.

I don't understand the move to Aeration dampers. It's like running regular bladder shocks with air in them. Maybe it has more to do with the stroke length than the fact they mix air and oil.. who knows (I sure don't).
Jilles mentioned you get negative rebound with them so that probably accounts for the extra grip. I think they hold a bit more oil too so maybe that makes them more consistent. Time will tell.

The big question is what do I do with my 5 sets of TRF shocks

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Anyone tried the CSO conversion kit set WC edition? it may be a solution to convert a 417x to a WX?
no the "carbon" is different
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Old 09-12-2012, 09:38 PM   #3889
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Oh now you want Negative rebound on your shocks? Well that's pretty easy to do on your regular shocks lol
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Old 09-13-2012, 04:25 AM   #3890
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Oh now you want Negative rebound on your shocks? Well that's pretty easy to do on your regular shocks lol
Not really, if you build them with zero rebound they pull back in for the first few movements then pop back out to about 2mm rebound
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Does anyone know the part # for the longer arms, I'm having traction roll issues and want to widen the car. Thanks.
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Does anyone know the part # for the longer arms, I'm having traction roll issues and want to widen the car. Thanks.
Was sorting out my 415 spares so have a pair to hand. The part number on them is: 51104

Has anyone tried fitting the buggy shock caps to the current TC lowers?
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Old 09-13-2012, 05:50 AM   #3893
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Does anyone know the part # for the longer arms, I'm having traction roll issues and want to widen the car. Thanks.
Widen the blocks in the front. Should fix your problem.
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Old 09-13-2012, 03:37 PM   #3894
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so where are they running the 2.5 top and bottom deck at?
they discounnted the 417x already
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TRF417-3 / TRF417WX

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Old 09-14-2012, 08:44 AM   #3896
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So what's the major changes this time?
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Other than the price of the kit, is this car decent for a beginner that had some rc experience in the past, but is coming into onroad electric tc's fresh?
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Other than the price of the kit, is this car decent for a beginner that had some rc experience in the past, but is coming into onroad electric tc's fresh?
It is an advanced kit, with many settings that are adjustable, which might be overkill for a beginner. However the car is straight forward to build, and drives well with just box stock settings, so I think the kit would be an excellent car even for beginners (just like alot of cheaper stuff out there btw).
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Old 09-14-2012, 12:34 PM   #3899
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Thank you for the response, napoleon. I'm also considering the TC6 and the new HB TCXX. I'm really really new to touring cars, so bear with me. What are the major differences between those 3 cars in terms of ease of use and maintenance. Is there anything about the TRF417 that makes it harder for beginners to dial in and tune?
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Thank you for the response, napoleon. I'm also considering the TC6 and the new HB TCXX. I'm really really new to touring cars, so bear with me. What are the major differences between those 3 cars in terms of ease of use and maintenance. Is there anything about the TRF417 that makes it harder for beginners to dial in and tune?
All of them are good choices and excellent cars. The ease of use and maintenance part will mainly be determined by the people at your track and your local hobby store. Getting a car that is commonly used by the local fast guys might be very valuable in terms of knowledge and setup transfer to you as a beginner. Also getting a car that is supported by your local track/hobby store gives you easy access to parts.

If you take that all out of the equation there is probably not much different in terms of working on the car or setting them up. I have a 417x and I absolutely love it. The local guys run xray and TC6.1s and it took me a meeting or 3 to get the car on pace as I had to figure it all out by myself.
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