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Old 08-25-2012, 10:31 PM   #3781
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Not for carpet...try a Jilles snowbirds setup as a base line.
I have that one also its just with the grip on our carpet we usually start with asphault setups rather than carpet (especially high grip) setups. So is it usually easier to try and find more grip or just the opposite?
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Old 08-27-2012, 11:43 AM   #3782
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Hello, been back from holidays and going to race this weekend.
But I had a question regarding inboard toe blocks.
First of, when I first bought my 417, the rear came with XA-E blocks, which I ran at a medium-high grip carpet track for about 2 month until a fast driver told me to swap to 1X-1F blocks in the rear. This resulted in a slightly wider rear width but with the same toe in as before. And since then, I have kept the 1X-1F blocks and I was wondering if I should consider getting new blocks or going back to the old blocks. (I Now run on a lower grip/tighter carpet track compared to before.)
What is the effect of the rear blocks/rear width please ?

And finally, does anyone have a clear explanation with the physics explained between different suspension blocks. (Such as B, D, C blocks and so on.)
What do they do ?
What I don't get is that even if people change their suspension blocks, they would compensate the toe change with the toe links. So whats the point of changing the inboard toe blocks ?

Thanks alot
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Quick question
does anyone have the inner (smaller) bearing measurements, when using the double cardan joint set (#42216)

i meant to measure/note before assembling, but forgot

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Old 08-28-2012, 02:35 PM   #3785
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Quick question
does anyone have the inner (smaller) bearing measurements, when using the double cardan joint set (#42216)

i meant to measure/note before assembling, but forgot

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thanks for the bearing size
appreciate it
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Old 08-30-2012, 01:34 AM   #3787
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Does anyone have a pic of a body with the tamiya tribal decals/stickers?
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Old 08-30-2012, 03:47 AM   #3788
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Has anyone tried the Roche anti roll bar mount?

They look like they might add some chassis stiffness to me but could also make anti roll bar setting more consistent as there aren't those small plastic clips which can rotate differently.

I'm not allowed to post links so this is the best I can do:

roche.hk/shopping/index.php?route=product/product&path=38_40&product_id=606
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Old 08-30-2012, 07:11 AM   #3789
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Hello, been back from holidays and going to race this weekend.
But I had a question regarding inboard toe blocks.
First of, when I first bought my 417, the rear came with XA-E blocks, which I ran at a medium-high grip carpet track for about 2 month until a fast driver told me to swap to 1X-1F blocks in the rear. This resulted in a slightly wider rear width but with the same toe in as before. And since then, I have kept the 1X-1F blocks and I was wondering if I should consider getting new blocks or going back to the old blocks. (I Now run on a lower grip/tighter carpet track compared to before.)
What is the effect of the rear blocks/rear width please ?

And finally, does anyone have a clear explanation with the physics explained between different suspension blocks. (Such as B, D, C blocks and so on.)
What do they do ?
What I don't get is that even if people change their suspension blocks, they would compensate the toe change with the toe links. So whats the point of changing the inboard toe blocks ?

Thanks alot
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Congratulations Jilles...

What effect did you find going to the XC and C block in the rear of the car? I have liked B blocks on the front of my car, what would changing the rear to XC and C do?
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Thanks! For the Worlds we made the car more narrow, which gave more traction especially on old tyres! For hi traction I recommend to use normal XA-E blocks rear and 1C front.
I have tried this, and as Jilles said, going narrower provides more grip. Going back to the XA E setup should put some more bite into the car.

One thing to remember is that changing the blocks moves the arm in relation to the shock tower, as well as the outer camber location to the bulkhead as well. So it's not just a question of the width
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Has anyone tried the Roche anti roll bar mount?

They look like they might add some chassis stiffness to me but could also make anti roll bar setting more consistent as there aren't those small plastic clips which can rotate differently.

I'm not allowed to post links so this is the best I can do:

roche.hk/shopping/index.php?route=product/product&path=38_40&product_id=606
I have some, they do stiffen up the car a little bit, i found the rollbar a little trickier to set right with these, but once you work it out its fine. Ive since gone back to using the standard style mounting for our low grip tracks in Aus
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I have some, they do stiffen up the car a little bit, i found the rollbar a little trickier to set right with these, but once you work it out its fine. Ive since gone back to using the standard style mounting for our low grip tracks in Aus
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Could you elaborate please?

I've got some of these mounts on order and I'm not too keen on adding stiffness to my chassis as I'm enjoying the flexy set up right now. So if there is a way I can use these without adding stiffness that would be cool =]
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Old 08-31-2012, 09:12 AM   #3793
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Hy there!

Today i have recieved the new CSO WC Style 417X lower deck.

The drillings and the shape of it are good, but this is the ONLY positive thing about it!

.) The material is no carbon firbe in my opinion.
It looks like the typical carbon patern are printed.

.) The thikness of mine are 2,11mm on the one side and 2,35 on the other !!! (L-R)

.) It is also 19 gramms heavier than the original 417 lower deck.

SO STAY AWAY FROM THE CSO LOWER DECKS !!!!!
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Hy there!

Today i have recieved the new CSO WC Style 417X lower deck.

The drillings and the shape of it are good, but this is the ONLY positive thing about it!

.) The material is no carbon firbe in my opinion.
It looks like the typical carbon patern are printed.

.) The thikness of mine are 2,11mm on the one side and 2,35 on the other !!! (L-R)

.) It is also 19 gramms heavier than the original 417 lower deck.

SO STAY AWAY FROM THE CSO LOWER DECKS !!!!!
I stayed away from the CSO lower deck because it did not appear to be the true WC lower deck.

http://www.petitrc.com/reglages/tami.../bigpics/1.jpg

When you look at this picture, you see that there are 2 square holes in the lower deck, which have something in there. I think these are used by small squares under the battery that fit in these holes to fix the battery in place.

I did buy the floating servo holder from CSO which is nice. It also bolts on to the standard lower deck, using the servo mount hole and the antenna holder hole of the standard lower deck.

For the hole that fits the antenna holder on the floating mount there is no screw hole in the standard lower deck. You can 1) drill a hole in the chassis or 2) take a droop set screw, grind of 3-4mm and thread this in the servo mount so you can put the antenna holder on. I did option 2.
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We will be getting the 2.5mm chassis and upper deck next week
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