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Old 06-05-2012, 07:27 AM   #3181
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I aslo drive Solaris hard tires, so if any one have a setup for a low/med track i will be pleased.

I have tried alot of things, still can seem to beat the loose rear end.
Yesterday I tried some old Lrp ctx tires and the problem was gone, without setup chances.
I was running Solaris hards this weekend and the car was really good... Outdoor is all about tires...so how to condition them makes a huge difference. I was putting Paragon ground effects on for about 15 minutes prior to the race and wiping them off right before I went out. I also tried the MR33 sauce and it seemed to work well also. Here is a quick highlight of my setup:

Front:
Silver HB Springs, 450CST, .5mm under the blocks, 2 on shock tower, 3.5 inside camber link, short camber link, split 1C blocks. .5mm hex shim

Rear:
Blue HB Springs, 400 CST, .5mm under the blocks, 3 on shock tower, 3mm inside camber link and 3mm outside, middle camber link length, 1XA Split with 1E, .5mm hex shim

Misc:
LTC-R body, 2mm over right height on droop front and rear, 5.5 ride height, 1000CST in the gear diff, spool up front, medium sway bars all around, top deck cut up front to allow more flex, Paragon on the tires for 15 minutes...

Things I am gonna try next time out:
HB Blue all the way around, longer front camber link, sweep outdoor traction compound

Hope this helps
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Old 06-05-2012, 07:35 AM   #3182
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Sadly we have to use Solaris hard tires this year.
These tires aren't that bad. Try tamiya blues all around with kit set up. You might like it.
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Old 06-05-2012, 07:37 AM   #3183
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Or raise rear rollcenter and lower the front rolll center.
What wide are you running the car at the rear??
If you narrow it a bit you get more rear grip

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Old 06-05-2012, 11:42 AM   #3184
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Thinking about selling my 417 to a friend and getting a 417X. 98% of the time I run 21.5 on carpet. From comments here going to the X probably wouldn't be wise but I wonder if it would be fine since our carpet is medium bite at best (usually low). I guess my thoughts are since it is just 21.5 (used to be boosted but now blinky) and low bite carpet the 417X should be at least as good on carpet. Your thoughts?
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Old 06-05-2012, 01:05 PM   #3185
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Im looking at buying some extra springs so i have some extra tuning options for when i get my 417 out on the track next sunday. It currently has black/grey springs on, the fronts are blue dot and the rears are white dots. From searching this thread people mentions the hpi spring set, is this the one from the cyclone? Ive also read that the Tamiya 49382 On Road Tuned Hard Spring Set is worth getting. Help would be appreciated as i dont wanna buy some and find that i got the wrong ones. Car is raced on astrocarpet running yellow schumacher 24/25 minipins if that makes any difference
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Old 06-05-2012, 01:39 PM   #3186
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Thinking about selling my 417 to a friend and getting a 417X. 98% of the time I run 21.5 on carpet. From comments here going to the X probably wouldn't be wise but I wonder if it would be fine since our carpet is medium bite at best (usually low). I guess my thoughts are since it is just 21.5 (used to be boosted but now blinky) and low bite carpet the 417X should be at least as good on carpet. Your thoughts?
I would just wait for the stiffer chassis parts and buy them to fit on your 417. Stiffer chassis cars are better on Carpet IMHO.
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Old 06-05-2012, 01:46 PM   #3187
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Are most guys running low pro or full sized servos in their 417x?
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Old 06-05-2012, 01:54 PM   #3188
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Old 06-06-2012, 01:13 AM   #3189
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I was running Solaris hards this weekend and the car was really good... Outdoor is all about tires...so how to condition them makes a huge difference. I was putting Paragon ground effects on for about 15 minutes prior to the race and wiping them off right before I went out. I also tried the MR33 sauce and it seemed to work well also. Here is a quick highlight of my setup:

Front:
Silver HB Springs, 450CST, .5mm under the blocks, 2 on shock tower, 3.5 inside camber link, short camber link, split 1C blocks. .5mm hex shim

Rear:
Blue HB Springs, 400 CST, .5mm under the blocks, 3 on shock tower, 3mm inside camber link and 3mm outside, middle camber link length, 1XA Split with 1E, .5mm hex shim


Misc:
LTC-R body, 2mm over right height on droop front and rear, 5.5 ride height, 1000CST in the gear diff, spool up front, medium sway bars all around, top deck cut up front to allow more flex, Paragon on the tires for 15 minutes...

Things I am gonna try next time out:
HB Blue all the way around, longer front camber link, sweep outdoor traction compound

Hope this helps
Thanks alot artwork I will give this a try.
How do u setup your droop with a caliper or what?
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Old 06-07-2012, 07:10 AM   #3190
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Thanks alot artwork I will give this a try.
How do u setup your droop with a caliper or what?
I set droop above ride height with tires and battery installed...

Set Ride height to 5.0mm...then lift (I lift the shock tower while holding the tire from lifting off of the surface) the chassis until the droop screws bottom out at 7mm on the ride height gauge. The bottom of the chassis should lift 2mm over the ride height of the car.
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I set droop above ride height with tires and battery installed...

Set Ride height to 5.0mm...then lift (I lift the shock tower while holding the tire from lifting off of the surface) the chassis until the droop screws bottom out at 7mm on the ride height gauge. The bottom of the chassis should lift 2mm over the ride height of the car.
Thanks again Artwork.
I tried your setup yesterday, the car so much more stable with your setup.
I could run more consistend over 7 mins, than before.
This was with Solaris tires again, I am so pleased with the car right now, the tires is clearly not a isues. Now I am really looking forward to go to the track again and test some more things.
Even the tires wear was not that bad, since it was some fairly used ones i tried, and the car still had alot over grip on the 6.30-7.00 min mark.

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I just got a new Tamiya 417x. Which suspension blocks is a must have? My track is low to medium bite track
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I just got a new Tamiya 417x. Which suspension blocks is a must have? My track is low to medium bite track
Most ppl like to use split block both front and rear, so i guess most have block is:

Split XA for rear front position
Split C for front rear position
Team like to use at little sweep in the front so maybe a B block also.
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Most ppl like to use split block both front and rear, so i guess most have block is:

Split XA for rear front position
Split C for front rear position
Team like to use at little sweep in the front so maybe a B block also.
thanks!! Which block should I use to narrow the track width of the car?
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Old 06-08-2012, 12:27 PM   #3195
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thanks!! Which block should I use to narrow the track width of the car?
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