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Old 07-19-2011, 03:14 PM   #556
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Just picked up a Rebel 1/12th. I have a Question about the front springs. Which ones are equal to Associated .018 and .020 1/12th springs? I noticed that these spring have more coils are these springs Linear?

Im going to place and Order soon so i can get the right parts
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Here is the way T.O.P. lists the front springs for the Rebel 12:

PS-PF04545 Rebel - Front Spring 0.45mm x 4.5 coils (2pcs) Copper
PS-PF05050 Rebel - Front Spring 0.5mm x 5 coils (2pcs) Silver
PS-PF05045 Rebel - Front Spring 0.5mm x 4.5 coils (2pcs) Gold

The Copper spring is the softest, Gold the hardest. Silver is the kit spring.
The closest spring to an .018 is the Copper, it is just a little stiffer than the .018. The Gold is not quite as stiff as a .020 and the Silver is in between. You can see that the spread between the springs is not as much as the AE springs, this seems appropriate for the lighter lipo cars. Many racers are using AE springs because they have them and they seem more familiar. I have been using the T.O.P. springs, and they seem to collapse less readily than the AE ones. So far I have only run the Silvers as they were the right choice at the carpet nats, and we have lost our carpet track so no testing for the time being ()

I don't really know if the the T.O.P. springs are linear or progressive. They look like they are wound with even spacing which would be linear I think. Maybe someone who knows more about springs can help
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Old 07-19-2011, 05:45 PM   #557
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Has anyone noticed any back to back handling differences with the std low, and optional motor mount?
There has been some discussion that the std low allows the motor to flex independantly of the pod, generating more rear grip, and a more consistent car.
The scratches on the sensor end of the motor only would seem to support the idea that the motor can flex a fair way.

I have not had a chance to try it myself, however a mate tried it, and felt like he had a lot less rear bite.

Anyone have a comment about handling of the 2 mounts?
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Old 07-19-2011, 06:56 PM   #558
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Hi Dave

Ya, I know that of course but wasn't very clear. It sounded right at the time

What I meant was that the slot at the bottom of the motor plate for the motor screws does not go back far enough to make mesh between the pinion and spur when using the small pinions you would use for mod. So for some roll outs you have to run a larger spur gear than you might want to. The option motor plate solves that issue.

I really like the stock motor plates and since we run gigantic pinions in every class but mod now getting mesh is not a problem

Now I'd better go check all the emails I sent this morning and see if they were also clear as mud
so really the change allows you to run a smaller 'total' number of teeth (pinion + spur)
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so really the change allows you to run a smaller 'total' number of teeth (pinion + spur)
Yes, that would be another way to put it
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I actually don't remember the exact pinions I made the mount to fit but I think the furthest you could move the motor back in the pod was with around a 20/96 - In Mod, we never run a smaller spur because of the ratios we need to run. I would like to run 100's but with that and the tire size we run the spur is full of tire foam after a run, 96 is the max you really can run. Also, we usually try to get the motor further forward in the pod rather than right on the axle...
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Hey Od,

Thanks for the info much appreciated.




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Hi Mike,

Here is the way T.O.P. lists the front springs for the Rebel 12:

PS-PF04545 Rebel - Front Spring 0.45mm x 4.5 coils (2pcs) Copper
PS-PF05050 Rebel - Front Spring 0.5mm x 5 coils (2pcs) Silver
PS-PF05045 Rebel - Front Spring 0.5mm x 4.5 coils (2pcs) Gold

The Copper spring is the softest, Gold the hardest. Silver is the kit spring.
The closest spring to an .018 is the Copper, it is just a little stiffer than the .018. The Gold is not quite as stiff as a .020 and the Silver is in between. You can see that the spread between the springs is not as much as the AE springs, this seems appropriate for the lighter lipo cars. Many racers are using AE springs because they have them and they seem more familiar. I have been using the T.O.P. springs, and they seem to collapse less readily than the AE ones. So far I have only run the Silvers as they were the right choice at the carpet nats, and we have lost our carpet track so no testing for the time being ()

I don't really know if the the T.O.P. springs are linear or progressive. They look like they are wound with even spacing which would be linear I think. Maybe someone who knows more about springs can help
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IS there an online manual for the Rebel?

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Old 08-03-2011, 07:48 PM   #563
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IS there an online manual for the Rebel?

THX in ADVANCE...
I haven't seen an electronic version of the R12 manual yet. Curiously, there is one for the R10 under "downloads" at http://www.top-racing.jp/
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IS there an online manual for the Rebel?

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PM me your email address. I have a PDF version that I can send over.

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Old 08-04-2011, 06:48 PM   #566
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In case anyone doesn't know, T.O.P. has re-designed the R12 front lower suspension arm to allow the use of smaller tires. They made it a lot lower and you should be able to run the tires right down to the plastic. The new arms are the same part number and supercede the old ones, they say "Ver. 2" on the header card. All the kits packaged from now on will have the V2 arms, although there are probably a lot of old stock kits still out there. All kits sold by TOP USA will have the new arms, and any TOP USA Dealer can get a free set of arms for every kit already sold
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In case anyone doesn't know, T.O.P. has re-designed the R12 front lower suspension arm to allow the use of smaller tires. They made it a lot lower and you should be able to run the tires right down to the plastic. The new arms are the same part number and supercede the old ones, they say "Ver. 2" on the header card. All the kits packaged from now on will have the V2 arms, although there are probably a lot of old stock kits still out there. All kits sold by TOP USA will have the new arms, and any TOP USA Dealer can get a free set of arms for every kit already sold
It was a pleasant surprise to see the Version 2 arms in the kit I recently purchased. I saw that the part was available at online retailers and was wondering what changes were incorporated with this new version. It's good to know that I can run the front tires down. FYI.. the version 1 arms are also included as well.

On a side note.. I've gotten some requests for the PDF version of the Rebel 12 manaul. I've forward it to all that requested it. I was wondering if someone affiliated with TOP USA or Japan can post it on the company website.
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Just want to show my new chassis for the Top Rebel , with the lipo front-back. To be tested tuesday

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Does anyone have information about the release date for the revised left hub?
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