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Old 02-20-2017, 07:43 PM   #2026
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Can anyone share a picture of a mounted rear stabi bar.
Looks like you need really long connection bars.
Here's a pic that ruebiracer shared before.

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Old 02-20-2017, 11:45 PM   #2027
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[QUOTE=kwkride;14844652]Here's a pic that ruebiracer shared before.
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Raman, you and your fancy carpet track with m-chassis racing. Where I live, there's no carpet racing within 150 miles much less an m-chassis class
Welcome to my world

We have one Club in the whole country that race M-Chassis !! but it is on carpet and is only 125 miles away.
Race day for me starts at 5:30am and I get home around 8:00pm, all for 30mins of racing. Every second Saturday form September to April.
Haven't missed a race day in 6 years.
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Old 02-21-2017, 03:45 AM   #2029
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That's is the spirit��
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Old 02-27-2017, 06:27 AM   #2030
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Here's a pic that ruebiracer shared before.

I like the fan atop the motor. I'm considering mounting my ESC up there cuz Porsche 911.
The clear pinion cover is cool too.

Here's the progress pic:

Mounting the 911 GT2 bodyshell:
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Old 02-27-2017, 12:05 PM   #2031
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On carpet, I believe a tight diff is the ticket for maintaining high corner speed in the 06.

On my 419x I go up to 15k when running Sorex slicks and 10k with USGT.
Another Tamiyacup race last weekend this time on grippy ETS carpet. Huge, fast and technical track of 540m2.
I changed to thicker oil in the diff, now 7k, and added a rear swaybar. The bar did not work, the thicker oil in the diff was great. Lots of traction and good balance mid corner.
I run the M06 back to back with my M05 V2. Lap times almost equal. But again with the M05 very consistant laps and the M06 very fast followed by bad laps. Mostly because of having to move for competitors (M05) driving other lines and own mistakes (flip over dots) So finally the M05 was a faster choise while the M06 was more fun to drive.
Next race is on very high grip carpet with a long very fast corner where you make or kill your lap. We will see how the M06 performs there.

It is still very funny to see people reaction when they realize it is a RWD M-chassis that was running so smooth.
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Old 02-27-2017, 04:26 PM   #2032
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But again with the M05 very consistant laps and the M06 very fast followed by bad laps. Mostly because of having to move for competitors (M05) driving other lines and own mistakes (flip over dots) So finally the M05 was a faster choise while the M06 was more fun to drive.
I have been racing an M05 and then M05VII for years, ...I just recently setup an M06. I've only used my M06 for practice laps, but my times seem to be just slightly faster w/ the M06 when I don't crash. I agree, the M05 is more consistent, -at least in my experience so far. The M06 has serious potential and I plan to continue exploiting it! I have a race this coming weekend, I plan to get the M06 out for at least one heat, if it does well i'll use it in the mains ...we'll see.
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Old 03-02-2017, 10:47 AM   #2033
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The M06 definitely requires concentration. You have to focus and drive consistently the whole time.

I've been practicing for TCS using the Tamiya spec tyres and last night was very fruitful.

The only change I made to setting was ride height, since they are taller than the Shimizu

Type A slicks in front and S grips in rear with firm insert. Prior to running I would clean the tyres and put sxt on rears only. (Traction is very high at track)

I turned dual rate down to 65 to avoid traction roll on hair pin.

That was it.. Car was super consistent, had multiple lap times in the low 18s. I did noticed the car diffing out a little bit out of hairpin.. So I ended up tightening the ball diff even more!

One thing I noticed was that I'm not able to lower the front ride height bellow 5 mm with the TCS tyres. For asphalt that's probably fine but carpet you can go down to 4 mm. I use the TC collar adjusters that have the o ring in them, so that is probably the reason.

The other solution would be to use the 54361 carbon towers, which are designed for TC length dampers.

Anyhow in pretty excited about the car.. Hopefully work will not get in the way of the TCS race on April 22nd.
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hello!
can you give me some more Setup Infos?

which springs and oil do you use?

I run my car last race with (ETS carpet)
front rear
MGrip S Grip
Hard soft
CA sidewall
yellow short blue short
550 450
SWB, Datsun Body
Ride height about 5 mm

also test with
A Type A Type
extra hard soft
CA sidewall

in the pre runs car drives perfect, in the finals the A Type tires has a failure.
The M and S grips a began to struggel and the car was to twitchy to drive. managed only 3rd place.
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Old 03-02-2017, 11:17 AM   #2035
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Hello Fritz,

I have never run on ETS, I'm assuming traction is very high. Are you limited to run Tamiya tyres only?

Make sure you clean the s grips really well before each race. They pick up a lot of residue from track as you run.

I'm presently running muchmore 550 cst front and rear. Blue springs in rear and red springs in front. (Tamiya 42168) I build my front shocks very short. The distance from bottom shock body to shock collar is 6.5.. Which gives you almost no droop in front

1. Battery short LiPo all the way forward.
2. M05 ball diff tight
3. 1 rear up right
4. -2,0 rear camber
5, -1,0 front camber
6. 0 steering toe
7. Rear ride height 4mm
8. Front ride height 5mm.. Go to 4mm if you can

I prefer the type A (CA side wall) front and S grips rear.

I have m grips but they are old and have soft inserts, so not good for carpet
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Another Tamiyacup race last weekend this time on grippy ETS carpet. Huge, fast and technical track of 540m2.
I changed to thicker oil in the diff, now 7k, and added a rear swaybar. The bar did not work, the thicker oil in the diff was great. Lots of traction and good balance mid corner.
I run the M06 back to back with my M05 V2. Lap times almost equal. But again with the M05 very consistant laps and the M06 very fast followed by bad laps. Mostly because of having to move for competitors (M05) driving other lines and own mistakes (flip over dots) So finally the M05 was a faster choise while the M06 was more fun to drive.
Next race is on very high grip carpet with a long very fast corner where you make or kill your lap. We will see how the M06 performs there.

It is still very funny to see people reaction when they realize it is a RWD M-chassis that was running so smooth.
Great Erik Jan,
good to see heads turning for M06!
Ive just got my Shimizu in 33 shore finally, so just counting the days for the next practice with them!

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Even though it is rear wheel drive like the F1 cars, it does have independent rear suspension. So I think we are all coming to realisation that when traction is high this car likes a tighter diff... Unlike F1 cars

If you're diffing out with a loose diff you're not putting the power down mid turn, or coming out of the turn and the 05 will be faster.

However if you are able to replicate an lsd and get the power down the car is superb mid turn and exits with great speed
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whats your experience with the shorty in front?
I put mine in the back. I think I had more grip in the rear.

Im running the tamiya Eurocup in Austria and we have to use M, S or A Type Tires.

I set my diff: slow turn the Wheel, the other is still turn the other side.
when I screw the diff a Little more it looked to turn the Motor.
M05 Diff

We use the Tamiya 15.5 brushless Motor (old).
New Motor is the carson dragster 3 with 16T sensorless

I use the rear up right with 2 from the M06R, should I get the 1?

I like the M Chassis class and when the M06 is running I prefer that Chassis.

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Fritz,

The M06 has a lot of toe built into chassis. 1 rear hub will give you more straight line speed.

When do you notice that you need rear grip?

I have plenty of rear grip, so I move the battery forward to gain steering and reduce understeer.
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One thing I noticed was that I'm not able to lower the front ride height bellow 5 mm with the TCS tyres. For asphalt that's probably fine but carpet you can go down to 4 mm. I use the TC collar adjusters that have the o ring in them, so that is probably the reason.

The other solution would be to use the 54361 carbon towers, which are designed for TC length dampers.
You could also try the Tamiya 53876 Spring Retainers, the drop the suspension by 1 milimeter.
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