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Old 12-22-2011, 06:36 AM   #5116
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I like to have a bit more camber when I put more roll into the car. Maximum forward bite is at the middle of the tire, not the sidewall, so when the car is rolling hard in a turn, not having enough camber seems to remove even more corner speed. In some conditions this can also cause traction roll, because you overwhelm the tire's sidewall and it "gives" out.

With the car on the bench, turn the front wheels and lean the chassis like it would in a turn. This will help you visualize it. Mid-corner you want to maintain your contact patch. Too much camber can cause it to be loose..... since you don't reach the maximum contact patch while the tire is fully loaded, the force overcomes the grip.

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Hi Cwoods, it was a great explanation, in the past I sometime find having more roll resulted in less grip, because I did not change the camber to make them work together, thank you so much for shining the light on this!!

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Hi Cwoods, it was a great explanation, in the past I sometime find having more roll resulted in less grip, because I did not change the camber to make them work together, thank you so much for shining the light on this!!

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Always glad to help! A shorter link and/or higher arm blocks also makes the car feel twitchy or as if it reacts faster....... you can have a car load a tire too fast and also lose grip (usually only extreme setups) If you are an on/off switch with your steering wheel, you may want a bit more roll and possibly slightly softer springs so that you don't overwhelm the tires easily. The best fix for this, however, is learning to steer smoothly
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Old 12-22-2011, 10:11 AM   #5118
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do you guys have part numbers off every think I need to make the HB DCJs work. Our any double join cvds. I feel like my car would be little faster with this upgrade. Thank you
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Old 12-22-2011, 10:37 AM   #5119
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ok i just came from the track car was very good with 70 weight oil in the rear diff, but my cvd's are binding up when turning left and right, so much so that the front suspension hops up and down and down along with an embarrassing noise. any ideas on what to do?

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Don't use the set screws to hold the pins in! Only use the retaining rings.
Put a drop of CA to keep the rings in place.
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Old 12-22-2011, 12:00 PM   #5120
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Don't use the set screws to hold the pins in! Only use the retaining rings.
Put a drop of CA to keep the rings in place.
I've also used TOO much Loctite on the set screws before and it leaked around binding up all of the internals..... like Tabasco sauce, just one drop does it™
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Old 12-22-2011, 01:15 PM   #5121
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Don't use the set screws to hold the pins in! Only use the retaining rings.
Put a drop of CA to keep the rings in place.
Hi sorry to look stupid will this be ok to leave out the
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Old 12-22-2011, 05:28 PM   #5123
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Tried associated gear diff on the front with 50k gear diff oil wow a little more fine tuning it is way better than a spool and less tire wear, no chattering, it gives me more front end grip and ton of steering I have to turn my dual rate down to 47% crazy... Did I mention no leak At all running on MOD..
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Old 12-22-2011, 05:35 PM   #5124
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Tried associated gear diff on the front with 50k gear diff oil wow a little more fine tuning it is way better than a spool and less tire wear, no chattering, it gives me more front end grip and ton of steering I have to turn my dual rate down to 47% crazy... Did I mention no leak At all running on MOD..
50k, or 500k? I ran 500k in mod a few weekends, and it is pretty easy to drive, but I switched back to a spool. I found myself driving the car incredibly hard into turns, and the spool helped with 2 things. Obviously with a locked axle, you get theoretical full brakes to both front wheels simultaneously.... a "screeching halt" if you will! Secondly, it seemed to help prevent the back end from kicking out, because a spool on entry tends to cause a push in the car. It was simply easier for me to drive harder..... however, I have an aggressive driving style!

On a larger or more sweeping track, I think the gear diff would be much easier to drive consistently, since you wouldn't necessarily need so much brake action.

Gear diff is pretty incredible in 17.5 though
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I run the car on small tight outdoor parking lot track this weekend... Light oil make the car to push too much on throttle coming off the corner, too heavy on the oil and you loose the steering. I end with 50,000k gear diff oil a little more fine tuning and it's way better then spool...

I also play with my suspension setup to compensate running a gear diff up front and man the car was dialed really easy to drive...
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On MOD I hardly use a lot of initial break, I mostly put a lot of drag break with only 30%-40% initial break.
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I run the car on small tight outdoor parking lot track this weekend... Light oil make the car to push too much on throttle coming off the corner, too heavy on the oil and you loose the steering. I end with 50,000k gear diff oil a little more fine tuning and it's way better then spool...

I also play with my suspension setup to compensate running a gear diff up front and man the car was dialed really easy to drive...
Usually thicker front gear diff oil will cause it to behave more like a spool.... as in more on-throttle steering. But it is also influenced by a number of other things, so in your instance.... if it works, it works!
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On MOD I hardly use a lot of initial break, I mostly put a lot of drag break with only 30%-40% initial break.
I found that when I tried a lot of drag brake, the car didn't want to rotate as well due to my driving style. BUT I'm nearly flipping the rear end over with handbrake on entry!

My biggest problem is that I'm fighting the habit of mashing the brakes while turning. I'm starting to get the hang of mash brakes---turn---throttle out........
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Play with your front roll center I like mine a little higher so the car rotates more on the corner off throttle...
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It does acts like a spool when you put a really heavy oil.. With 50,000K it's just about right you still have the diff action when you corner this gives you more traction on the tires That have contact on the ground. When you hit the throttle coming off corner it pulls like a spool..

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