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Old 02-02-2011, 02:18 PM   #106
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I wish we had well supported classes like GT and VTA as well, cos they look fun for when you fancy a more 'scale' racing experience.
When I wanted to race VTA about four years ago. I just built a VTA car and set it on my pit. Practiced with it during the breaks. The other guys asked what it was and if we were going to start racing them here. I just said,"If theres enough interest, Yeah!" Next week there were three more VTA cars ready to go. Seems like the other guys were just waiting for someone else to show interest in VTA so that they would have someone to run against.

It made a great summer.
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People are pretty resistant to new stuff here, I'd love to run VTA or something similarly UK equivalent for a laugh on a club night. But I'd find it hard to promote it 'cos I'm pretty obsessed with FAST TC's

Although a larger club I go to fairly regularly might be cool with running interesting new classes, numbers permitting. I'll have to check it out. We could have a traditional British sports car class . Hhhmm TBSC doesn't have quite the same ring to it as USVTA, haha.
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Im with the 21.5 decision as well. As stated earlier, it provides a great progression in speed from VTA to Expert Sedan. It also provides a place for new people to the sport who dont want to buy new 25.5 motors or want to run the older style TA bodies to run before running 17.5 noboost/21.5 boosted sedan. (which is a slight issue at our local track. People new to the sport want the new style bodies, but arent ready skill wise for the 17.5 sedan class)
Come on Jonesy I haven't torn anyone's stuff up but mine Really on a serious note I agree that 21.5 nonboosted would be a GREAT stepping stone from VTA to the 17.5 sedan class. Only thing I think is you should spec a tire just my opinion. I know as a father that foots the bill on my stuff plus my son and my daughter soon the less stuff I have to buy the better on the budget
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Come on Jonesy I haven't torn anyone's stuff up but mine Really on a serious note I agree that 21.5 nonboosted would be a GREAT stepping stone from VTA to the 17.5 sedan class. Only thing I think is you should spec a tire just my opinion. I know as a father that foots the bill on my stuff plus my son and my daughter soon the less stuff I have to buy the better on the budget
Lol, you werent one of the ones that I was talking about Mr. Barton.

You are fully ready for the 17.5, it was the guys that were 10 laps off the pace in a 28 lap qualifier I was reffering to.

I agree, I would be happy with a spec tire as well, or maybe 3 diff. spec tires from 3 manufacturers so we have a choice of brand, but they all perform about the same.
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This is not meant to be an exclusive list, but one to be able to see some of what is out there. I am thinking rather than a price limit, I will wind up changing the tire rule to read UNBELTED treaded tire. Most tires that fit the description also fall into the correct price range.


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4541, 4540 V-Groove Super Radial Tire (Standard 26mm)
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I dont envy you. Well sometimes I do but not in the decisions that you have to make regarding these things. Yeah I dont evny you.
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This is not meant to be an exclusive list, but one to be able to see some of what is out there. I am thinking rather than a price limit, I will wind up changing the tire rule to read UNBELTED treaded tire. Most tires that fit the description also fall into the correct price range.


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*C22-Pro Street Max V1 1214C22

*C22-Pro Street Max V2 1215C22

*C22-Pro Street Max V3 1216C22

26mm V4 Rubber Radial for Touring Car C22357

26mm X2 Rubber Radial for Touring Car C22358

IWTC T27 EVO Racing Tire (1pair) IWTCEVO

Tamiya

53227 RC Touring Car M2 Radial Tires

51023 Medium-Narrow Racing Radial Tires

50419 Tamiya Racing Radial Tire

53214 Tamiya Super Grip Radial Tire

HPI
(multiple part # for different compounds)

5130,4514,4512 Super Radial Tire (Standard 26mm)

4521,4520 Low Profile Super Radial Tire (Standard 26mm)

4793 Vintage Racing Tire 26mm D-Compound (VTA FRONT)

102993 VINTAGE PERFORMANCE TIRE 26mm D COMPOUND

4790,4490, X-PATTERN RADIAL TIRE 26mm

4541, 4540 V-Groove Super Radial Tire (Standard 26mm)
out of all these tires which ones have you tested so far??
& which ones you like??
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Rob,

Is your intent to use a 26mm tire for this class or just an unbelted tire for this class? I ask because the Tamiya medium/narrow tire is 24 mm.

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I've been doing this for a little over a year. However, I have attacked this hobby/sport/obsession with a vengeance and have improved rapidly. I started with a TA-05v2 in VTA and a mini cooper. This year, I got frustrated with the mini cooper and bought a TRF-417 and started racing in stock 17.5 rubber TC. We recently added a 21.5 GT class so the TA-05 got converted to this. We use USGT rules except we use X-pattern belted tires as spec. I'm a set-up fanatic so I'm confident that both my cars are set up really well for our track.

Last weekend, I was able to do 28 laps with my 417 in 6 minutes. I did 29 laps with my TA-05 GT car. We have some really talented drivers at our track and two of them race FF-03s in GT. They are about a half second faster than I am. When we leave the drivers stand at the end of a GT race, we are smiling, laughing, commenting on how much fun that was, etc....

There is a lot that can be taken away from this.

1. A faster car isn't always faster.
2. A more expensive car isn't always faster.
3. It all comes down to the guy holding the controller.

I know it was mentioned by someone else earlier but I think it's worth repeating. Perhaps the ideal spec tire may be the front tires we use for VTA. It's hard to beat these things for price and performance. I don't have any experience racing on asphalt, but they seem to work there as well as on carpet. We could throw HPI a bone by using these. They certainly deserve it for the support they have given USVTA.

Lastly, and I realize that this is kind of out there, but I would consider making this class or USVTA a molded bathtub chassis only class. We need new faces in on road racing and the big issue is cost. If one of these classes were limited to TC-3/4, Tamiya TA-0?, FF-03 type cars, it would be a lot easier for the noob to get started. Look at the success of the Tamiya M chassis cars. It isn't because of their performance.
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I like the idea of one tire rule...just keeps the guys who normally dont run this type of tire from buying two or 3 sets to get the one that works best.... Im running whatever, cause in that list Ive only ran maybe 1-2 of those tires.. and Im not sure which was the better of the two....but hey, we will know come April....

well what are you running in USGT?
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24 or 26mm tire or rim, rims just need to be spoked...

The HPI tires in Pro compound work well on carpet. Super Radials used to be as popular as Xpatterns way back when (90's). I have some of the others, and I will be trying them out.

As far as bathtub only, I think that's a bad way to go. Having seen a lot of 3 year old Xray cars and the like out there for VTA and RCGT/USGT/etc type classes, I would hesitate to get rid of all those cars that can be had for cheap because they have graphite plates. Tamiya 416 cars can be had for $200 used now, which is a crazy deal. Not to mention all the times I took a beatdown from a well driven TA05 when I had a TC5...
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WOW, this is so Deja Vu !! Nice going Rob. I for one appreciate that your decisions so far are almost identical to what I'd perceived rcgt to become. My club is already running what we can now call USGT. 21.5, 24 or 26mm treaded tires on realistic rims, any all wheel drive or ff chassis.
On our asphalt,unprepared track the HPI x-pattern 4490 seems to do best but the 4790 isn't far behind. Depends on setup. We haven't had any experience with the Solaris yet but I know one driver has purchased them so we'll see.
Good call on the chassis choice. With the availability of excellent cars in the used market, there's no reason to limit choices. Each budget will be different and very few drivers can really exploit any possible advantage a more complex chassis might offer. Then again, we don't advocate really basic chassis like a TT01. We're honest though so nobody gets pissed about having a basic car. Make them aware that it MAY be a disadvantage until they can appropriately modify the car or get a more competitive model. In the meantime...the concentration should be on learning to drive and race rather than winning. Well done Sir !!
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24 or 26mm tire or rim, rims just need to be spoked...

The HPI tires in Pro compound work well on carpet. Super Radials used to be as popular as Xpatterns way back when (90's). I have some of the others, and I will be trying them out.

As far as bathtub only, I think that's a bad way to go. Having seen a lot of 3 year old Xray cars and the like out there for VTA and RCGT/USGT/etc type classes, I would hesitate to get rid of all those cars that can be had for cheap because they have graphite plates. Tamiya 416 cars can be had for $200 used now, which is a crazy deal. Not to mention all the times I took a beatdown from a well driven TA05 when I had a TC5...
Think you are on the right path not restricting chassis. I picked up a Cyclone TC chassis in excellent cond for $70. The deals are out there and like VTA this class can be relatively low cost (if the racer wants it to be) while still having a competitive car. Only wish they raced GT in the Cleveland area because muscle cars don't do much for me aesthetically.
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If cost is the defining factor, bathtub chassis are not the limiting component. I just picked up THREE virtually brand new Losi JRXS Type R chassis for less than the cost of a new luxo touring car, and I have an entire box of spares, to boot. I now have not only an inexpensive high end RCGT car, but also a sick VTA car, and a third to use this summer outdoors on asphalt.

Bathtub chassis cars might be cheap, but they aren't the only way to race inexpensively.
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Lastly, and I realize that this is kind of out there, but I would consider making this class or USVTA a molded bathtub chassis only class.
That rule would have eliminated the entire VTA class at your track this past Saturday!

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