RCGT....Where is it at now?
#196
Tech Elite
iTrader: (26)
Sounds like we're doing pretty well...looks like there's general agreement on:
1. Wings...molded highly suggested ..any lexan must be cut to proportion.Lexan wings not allowed in Concours
2. Batteries..Lipo 2S,5000mah,35c limits
3. esc/motors...according to ROAR sportsman list with addition of Cirtix 17.5 and 21.5 ( Has anyone run the cirtix and another system like the ballistic/havoc who might share a comparison ?? )
4. 21.5 available as additional option at club or race organizer discretion.
5. Tires....x-patterns are standard with option of HPI slicks #4435 or #4415 at the discretion of club or event organizer. ( doing some checking on inserts but it looks like the HPI #4677 might be the most similar to whats in the x-patterns. Keep it simple....Any thoughts ?? )
6. Body rule stays the same.
Are we there yet ?????
HarryN....look forward to your thoughts on the Cirtix. My hope is that any difference between it and something like the Havoc Pro/Ballistic are so small its not worth worrying about. Bottom line is people have options for different manufacturers. At the Cirtix pricepoint its gonna be hard to pass up on for many, many people. That is until someone steps up and competes at the same level.
1. Wings...molded highly suggested ..any lexan must be cut to proportion.Lexan wings not allowed in Concours
2. Batteries..Lipo 2S,5000mah,35c limits
3. esc/motors...according to ROAR sportsman list with addition of Cirtix 17.5 and 21.5 ( Has anyone run the cirtix and another system like the ballistic/havoc who might share a comparison ?? )
4. 21.5 available as additional option at club or race organizer discretion.
5. Tires....x-patterns are standard with option of HPI slicks #4435 or #4415 at the discretion of club or event organizer. ( doing some checking on inserts but it looks like the HPI #4677 might be the most similar to whats in the x-patterns. Keep it simple....Any thoughts ?? )
6. Body rule stays the same.
Are we there yet ?????
HarryN....look forward to your thoughts on the Cirtix. My hope is that any difference between it and something like the Havoc Pro/Ballistic are so small its not worth worrying about. Bottom line is people have options for different manufacturers. At the Cirtix pricepoint its gonna be hard to pass up on for many, many people. That is until someone steps up and competes at the same level.
I also like the "chop your gigantic whale tail down to 15mm" compromise.
One more open issue: minimum weight. 1450g? 1500g?
#198
It seems kind of silly to have a true sportsman level class ,with the goal of getting people involved being number 1, and still hold on to concepts like weight requirements. I agree....FAT IS GOOD !! It's realistic, sportsman level racing....make it easy enough that with a decent car ( and a very high percentage are) running to the specs....anyone should be able to race. Lets come up with a number....1550 is the highest I've heard based on a well known chassis (ta05). Would 1500 be reasonable ?? )sorry...edit...I goofed
#199
Tech Elite
iTrader: (15)
It seems kind of silly to have a true sportsman level class ,with the goal of getting people involved being number 1, and still hold on to concepts like weight requirements. I agree....FAT IS GOOD !! It's realistic, sportsman level racing....make it easy enough that with a decent car ( and a very high percentage are) running to the specs....anyone should be able to race. Lets come up with a number....1550 is the highest I've heard based on a well known chassis (ta05). Would 1500 be reasonable ?? )sorry...edit...I goofed
#200
More I think about that figure, the more I think 1450 might be better....had to think about where most of our club members were at last time we weighed. I know my XXXS was under 1500. Isn't TC at 1400 or 1400+ ??
#203
My bad, looked up the rules we ran under at that race. 1500 was the number they used. So...does 1500 sound like a good compromise ?
Pete, don't know if you were joking about the 1475 but don't see why it couldnt be a valid choice.
Pete, don't know if you were joking about the 1475 but don't see why it couldnt be a valid choice.
#204
#205
Yikes...isn't that a bit on the light side for RCGT Rick ?? I suppose if everybody was running new chassis and the lightest electronics that might do but many of us aren't. Like M-Technic said....it would be a pretty large variable for a lighter weight car against one thats on the beefy side without added weight.
Maybe that 1475 number isn't so unreasonable ?? Need help !!
Maybe that 1475 number isn't so unreasonable ?? Need help !!
#207
Isn't that what I said TJ ?? Either way...I agree. So whats the magic number ??
#208
Tech Elite
iTrader: (26)
...and we aren't running TC.
I think everyone agrees that the weight should be at a level where it's not a handicap to run a less-expensive chassis like a TA-05 or Cyclone TC.
USVTA uses 1450g, and they have put a lot more thought and testing into all of this over the past few years than we could ever dream to. They are also a series that puts fun, close racing and Sportsman-friendliness above all else so I trust their judgment.
I'm sure Rob or Doug could shed some light on how they arrived at 1450g, and it would be worth listening to.
I think everyone agrees that the weight should be at a level where it's not a handicap to run a less-expensive chassis like a TA-05 or Cyclone TC.
USVTA uses 1450g, and they have put a lot more thought and testing into all of this over the past few years than we could ever dream to. They are also a series that puts fun, close racing and Sportsman-friendliness above all else so I trust their judgment.
I'm sure Rob or Doug could shed some light on how they arrived at 1450g, and it would be worth listening to.
#209
Tech Elite
iTrader: (2)
I think 1450 is a good weight to start with and test the waters. Most Tub chassis cars and beginner cars are around that weight anyways (Cyclone Type S, TA05, TB03, TL-01, HPI Sprint 2, etc).
I'll put my vote down for 1450.
As far as the Batteries, ESC, Motor, Bodies, Wing, Tires, here are my thoughts:
Wings
GT wings preferred, but if using a molded wing that comes with the body, try not to make it as large as a car stand. Aim for scale realism.
ESC + Motor
As far as ESC and motors, preferably a no-timing adjustment on motors and boost/turbo adjustments on ESCs. It is why I am heavily leaning towards the SP Citrix combo. If the Citrix ESC can in fact be tuned for turbo, and you need to purchase the LCD panel access port (AP), think about a beginner coming into the hobby. Do you think they would spend that much money to buy something they do not comprehend yet? I think this is a non-issue for now. But once I get my hands on the combo, I am going to check it out.
Leaning towards the 21.5/17.5 Citrix combo for now, since it is the best bang for buck for beginners.
Wheels/Tires
Rules for now states using the HPI rims and X-pattern tires with stock inserts. But given the proper setup, X-pattern tires can last if treated properly or the same TLC is given to these tires as the TC tires (WD40, Lighter Fluid, Jimmy Joe Bob's Most Awesome Extreme Tire care sauce, etc.). But I think this area should be left open until Shawn Palmer gets some more Blast Off tires in stock and we are able to try em out.
But I will say to throw in the Tamiya 24mm realistic rims and tires with stock inserts in addition to the 26mm HPI rims and X-pattern/Slick tires with stock inserts. But leave it open until testing is done with the Blast Off wheels and tires. Has anyone noticed the treads are very similar to Tamiya's tires??
Approved tires (for now):
HPI#4733
HPI#4734
HPI#4735
HPI#4495
HPI#4490
Bodies
HPI and Tamiya bodies. No change here.
Minimum Weight
I am shooting for 1450 since that is the usual weight most RTR or beginner cars weigh in at. Sometimes the weight is just under 1450 and is not too hard to get up to 1450.
Batteries
5000 mah 30C
My two cents.
I'll put my vote down for 1450.
As far as the Batteries, ESC, Motor, Bodies, Wing, Tires, here are my thoughts:
Wings
GT wings preferred, but if using a molded wing that comes with the body, try not to make it as large as a car stand. Aim for scale realism.
ESC + Motor
As far as ESC and motors, preferably a no-timing adjustment on motors and boost/turbo adjustments on ESCs. It is why I am heavily leaning towards the SP Citrix combo. If the Citrix ESC can in fact be tuned for turbo, and you need to purchase the LCD panel access port (AP), think about a beginner coming into the hobby. Do you think they would spend that much money to buy something they do not comprehend yet? I think this is a non-issue for now. But once I get my hands on the combo, I am going to check it out.
Leaning towards the 21.5/17.5 Citrix combo for now, since it is the best bang for buck for beginners.
Wheels/Tires
Rules for now states using the HPI rims and X-pattern tires with stock inserts. But given the proper setup, X-pattern tires can last if treated properly or the same TLC is given to these tires as the TC tires (WD40, Lighter Fluid, Jimmy Joe Bob's Most Awesome Extreme Tire care sauce, etc.). But I think this area should be left open until Shawn Palmer gets some more Blast Off tires in stock and we are able to try em out.
But I will say to throw in the Tamiya 24mm realistic rims and tires with stock inserts in addition to the 26mm HPI rims and X-pattern/Slick tires with stock inserts. But leave it open until testing is done with the Blast Off wheels and tires. Has anyone noticed the treads are very similar to Tamiya's tires??
Approved tires (for now):
HPI#4733
HPI#4734
HPI#4735
HPI#4495
HPI#4490
Bodies
HPI and Tamiya bodies. No change here.
Minimum Weight
I am shooting for 1450 since that is the usual weight most RTR or beginner cars weigh in at. Sometimes the weight is just under 1450 and is not too hard to get up to 1450.
Batteries
5000 mah 30C
My two cents.