2LikesLosi XXX-S
11-30-2001, 03:18 AM
#1291
Regional Moderator
rccarracer, thanks! Everything's clear now.
Increase droop = increase numerically on the droop gauge
Decrease droop = decrease numerically on the droop gauge
Increase droop = increase numerically on the droop gauge
Decrease droop = decrease numerically on the droop gauge
11-30-2001, 03:21 AM
#1292
I think we should make the Todd Hodge XXX-S Tuning article required reading for all R/C racers period. 
An excerpt:
"On low-bite tracks, add more droop to get the car to roll more through turns. This will let the car transfer more weight and will increase traction. Putting more droop into the car makes it a little more mellow and easier to drive. Just for clarification; increasing droop means adding more down travel. On high-bite tracks, take away droop to make the car roll less, thus making the car easier to drive."
(This is basically the same thing that Rog posted, just a little less detailed...)
An excerpt:
"On low-bite tracks, add more droop to get the car to roll more through turns. This will let the car transfer more weight and will increase traction. Putting more droop into the car makes it a little more mellow and easier to drive. Just for clarification; increasing droop means adding more down travel. On high-bite tracks, take away droop to make the car roll less, thus making the car easier to drive."
(This is basically the same thing that Rog posted, just a little less detailed...)
11-30-2001, 03:35 AM
#1293
Originally posted by Addict sa RC
rccarracer, thanks! Everything's clear now.
Increase droop = increase numerically on the droop gauge
Decrease droop = decrease numerically on the droop gauge
rccarracer, thanks! Everything's clear now.
Increase droop = increase numerically on the droop gauge
Decrease droop = decrease numerically on the droop gauge
11-30-2001, 05:44 AM
#1294
Regional Moderator
Originally posted by futureal
Just for clarification; increasing droop means adding more down travel.
Just for clarification; increasing droop means adding more down travel.
11-30-2001, 07:12 AM
#1295
Then why on a carpet track do you want to run a rear droop of about 2? That then means that your car car chassis will be at a higher spot then a droop setting of 5 (chassis is lower to the ground then the 2). I thought that for Carpet you want the chassis to be close to the ground? I am wrong in thinking this?
Mike Webb
Mike Webb
11-30-2001, 07:20 AM
#1296
Tech Apprentice
Ok, here is a link to the X-Ray setup book. They (Hudy) use a better terminology..."downstop."
http://www.teamxray.com/teamxray/pro...&kategoria=253
Addict sa RC - Adding more downtravel doesn't necessarily mean making the shock shaft longer. A better description would be to say that it increases the distance between the bottom of the shock body and the spring cup. The way I understand it, more downtravel has a lower number. I have Hudy setup tools so my droop gauge has negative numbers (hub carrier sits below the chassis line). When people tell me to "increase droop" I understand that to mean increase the droop value (ie from 4mm to 5mm) or giving the car less downtravel. That's why to me, "droop" is an oxymoron. It doesn't really matter what the definition is just as long as you understand the theory behind it and how it affects your car. The Hudy setup book is actually pretty good. Read through it and it will help you understand setting up your car a bit more.
http://www.teamxray.com/teamxray/pro...&kategoria=253
Addict sa RC - Adding more downtravel doesn't necessarily mean making the shock shaft longer. A better description would be to say that it increases the distance between the bottom of the shock body and the spring cup. The way I understand it, more downtravel has a lower number. I have Hudy setup tools so my droop gauge has negative numbers (hub carrier sits below the chassis line). When people tell me to "increase droop" I understand that to mean increase the droop value (ie from 4mm to 5mm) or giving the car less downtravel. That's why to me, "droop" is an oxymoron. It doesn't really matter what the definition is just as long as you understand the theory behind it and how it affects your car. The Hudy setup book is actually pretty good. Read through it and it will help you understand setting up your car a bit more.
11-30-2001, 07:30 AM
#1297
Tech Apprentice
Originally posted by mike_Webb
Then why on a carpet track do you want to run a rear droop of about 2? That then means that your car car chassis will be at a higher spot then a droop setting of 5 (chassis is lower to the ground then the 2). I thought that for Carpet you want the chassis to be close to the ground? I am wrong in thinking this?
Then why on a carpet track do you want to run a rear droop of about 2? That then means that your car car chassis will be at a higher spot then a droop setting of 5 (chassis is lower to the ground then the 2). I thought that for Carpet you want the chassis to be close to the ground? I am wrong in thinking this?
11-30-2001, 08:53 AM
#1298
Regional Moderator
Finally got it at last!!!
Originally posted by Rog
When people tell me to "increase droop" I understand that to mean increase the droop value (ie from 4mm to 5mm) or giving the car less downtravel. That's why to me, "droop" is an oxymoron. It doesn't really matter what the definition is just as long as you understand the theory behind it and how it affects your car. The Hudy setup book is actually pretty good. Read through it and it will help you understand setting up your car a bit more.
When people tell me to "increase droop" I understand that to mean increase the droop value (ie from 4mm to 5mm) or giving the car less downtravel. That's why to me, "droop" is an oxymoron. It doesn't really matter what the definition is just as long as you understand the theory behind it and how it affects your car. The Hudy setup book is actually pretty good. Read through it and it will help you understand setting up your car a bit more.
11-30-2001, 04:36 PM
#1299
Tech Master
Originally posted by futureal
I think we should make the Todd Hodge XXX-S Tuning article required reading for all R/C racers period.
An excerpt:
"On low-bite tracks, add more droop to get the car to roll more through turns. This will let the car transfer more weight and will increase traction. Putting more droop into the car makes it a little more mellow and easier to drive. Just for clarification; increasing droop means adding more down travel. On high-bite tracks, take away droop to make the car roll less, thus making the car easier to drive."
(This is basically the same thing that Rog posted, just a little less detailed...)
I think we should make the Todd Hodge XXX-S Tuning article required reading for all R/C racers period.
An excerpt:
"On low-bite tracks, add more droop to get the car to roll more through turns. This will let the car transfer more weight and will increase traction. Putting more droop into the car makes it a little more mellow and easier to drive. Just for clarification; increasing droop means adding more down travel. On high-bite tracks, take away droop to make the car roll less, thus making the car easier to drive."
(This is basically the same thing that Rog posted, just a little less detailed...)
Originally posted by proudwinner
More droop means more shock travel and visa-versa for less. If your at 5 and need less(less shock travel) go to 6. I run 3 in the front 5 in the rear(parking lot).
*TIP* dial in more droop for less bite surfaces(unprepared parking lot) and visa-versa for higher bite surfaces(permanent tracks that have high bite and carpet).
More droop means more shock travel and visa-versa for less. If your at 5 and need less(less shock travel) go to 6. I run 3 in the front 5 in the rear(parking lot).
*TIP* dial in more droop for less bite surfaces(unprepared parking lot) and visa-versa for higher bite surfaces(permanent tracks that have high bite and carpet).
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Last edited by webspinner; 12-01-2001 at 11:02 AM.
11-30-2001, 05:01 PM
#1300
Tech Master
Originally posted by proudwinner
If your at 5 and need less(less shock travel) go to 6. I run 3 in the front 5 in the rear(parking lot).
If your at 5 and need less(less shock travel) go to 6. I run 3 in the front 5 in the rear(parking lot).
I know it sounds backwards when decreasing droop means going up to a higher number on the gauge, but thats the way it is when measuring droop with a losi and even an associated droop gauge.
Last edited by webspinner; 12-01-2001 at 10:14 AM.
11-30-2001, 05:48 PM
#1301
Tech Master
click below- 3 setups from the tc3 manual.
1)Bumpy track
2)Carpet with foams
3)Worlds 2000
The bumpy track setup sheet states to use 5 in the front 3 in the rear for droop.
The carpet track setup states to use 6 in the front 4 in the rear for droop.
The worlds setup states to use 5.5 in the front and 4 in the rear for droop.
In other words, use more droop(lower number on gauge)for less bite conditions and less droop(higher number on gauge)for more bite conditions.
TC3 manual-Look at shocktravel on page 26 in the manual.
1)Bumpy track
2)Carpet with foams
3)Worlds 2000
The bumpy track setup sheet states to use 5 in the front 3 in the rear for droop.
The carpet track setup states to use 6 in the front 4 in the rear for droop.
The worlds setup states to use 5.5 in the front and 4 in the rear for droop.
In other words, use more droop(lower number on gauge)for less bite conditions and less droop(higher number on gauge)for more bite conditions.
TC3 manual-Look at shocktravel on page 26 in the manual.
Last edited by webspinner; 12-01-2001 at 10:12 AM.
12-01-2001, 07:51 AM
#1302
Tech Apprentice
Proudwinner! That eye really creeps me out!
12-01-2001, 09:59 AM
#1303
Tech Master
Yeah, I'm trying to keep the darn thing still but it just keeps floppin around. I've made an appointment with an eye doctor next Monday to have it looked at.
Last edited by webspinner; 12-01-2001 at 10:01 AM.
12-01-2001, 06:20 PM
#1304
Well, I just got done installing the Speed Tech parts on my car. I must say, the fit & finish of the parts are great and everything went on nicely. But man, Losi sure made it difficult to modify the roll center of the car with those blocks. Had to shave or cut the stock car in no less than 8 places, plus trim the droop screws down to size.
What's funny to me is, Losi included the lower mounting holes for the front and rear pivot blocks on the bulkhead caps, as if they were thinking ahead to this particular modification. But if they were, I am wondering why they didn't test this before the car shipped to eliminate the need for cutting the chassis itself, not to mention the front and rear bumpers. Hmmm...
The only problem I had with the low blocks is that it seems the most rear droop I can have is 4. Had my rear set to 3 before but I couldn't get the arms to pivot that low. Not a major problem, but anybody else see that? I figure a lot of you on here have made this modification already.
Stay tuned for an R/C Tech Review of the Speed Tech parts soon.
What's funny to me is, Losi included the lower mounting holes for the front and rear pivot blocks on the bulkhead caps, as if they were thinking ahead to this particular modification. But if they were, I am wondering why they didn't test this before the car shipped to eliminate the need for cutting the chassis itself, not to mention the front and rear bumpers. Hmmm...
The only problem I had with the low blocks is that it seems the most rear droop I can have is 4. Had my rear set to 3 before but I couldn't get the arms to pivot that low. Not a major problem, but anybody else see that? I figure a lot of you on here have made this modification already.
Stay tuned for an R/C Tech Review of the Speed Tech parts soon.
12-02-2001, 02:38 PM
#1305
Originally posted by mike_Webb
Then why on a carpet track do you want to run a rear droop of about 2? That then means that your car car chassis will be at a higher spot then a droop setting of 5 (chassis is lower to the ground then the 2). I thought that for Carpet you want the chassis to be close to the ground? I am wrong in thinking this?
Mike Webb
Then why on a carpet track do you want to run a rear droop of about 2? That then means that your car car chassis will be at a higher spot then a droop setting of 5 (chassis is lower to the ground then the 2). I thought that for Carpet you want the chassis to be close to the ground? I am wrong in thinking this?
Mike Webb