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Old 11-30-2001, 04:18 AM   #1291
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rccarracer, thanks! Everything's clear now.

Increase droop = increase numerically on the droop gauge
Decrease droop = decrease numerically on the droop gauge

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Old 11-30-2001, 04:21 AM   #1292
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I think we should make the Todd Hodge XXX-S Tuning article required reading for all R/C racers period.

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"On low-bite tracks, add more droop to get the car to roll more through turns. This will let the car transfer more weight and will increase traction. Putting more droop into the car makes it a little more mellow and easier to drive. Just for clarification; increasing droop means adding more down travel. On high-bite tracks, take away droop to make the car roll less, thus making the car easier to drive."

(This is basically the same thing that Rog posted, just a little less detailed...)
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Old 11-30-2001, 04:35 AM   #1293
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rccarracer, thanks! Everything's clear now.

Increase droop = increase numerically on the droop gauge
Decrease droop = decrease numerically on the droop gauge

Glad I could help, Happy racing!!
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Old 11-30-2001, 06:44 AM   #1294
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Just for clarification; increasing droop means adding more down travel.
Question: Doesn't adding more down travel mean making the shock shaft longer as measured from the bottom of the shock body/cover to the spring cup? If that's true (please correct me if I'm wrong), then increasing droop would mean going numerically lower on the droop gauge,....right?
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Old 11-30-2001, 08:12 AM   #1295
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Then why on a carpet track do you want to run a rear droop of about 2? That then means that your car car chassis will be at a higher spot then a droop setting of 5 (chassis is lower to the ground then the 2). I thought that for Carpet you want the chassis to be close to the ground? I am wrong in thinking this?

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Old 11-30-2001, 08:20 AM   #1296
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Ok, here is a link to the X-Ray setup book. They (Hudy) use a better terminology..."downstop."

http://www.teamxray.com/teamxray/pro...&kategoria=253

Addict sa RC - Adding more downtravel doesn't necessarily mean making the shock shaft longer. A better description would be to say that it increases the distance between the bottom of the shock body and the spring cup. The way I understand it, more downtravel has a lower number. I have Hudy setup tools so my droop gauge has negative numbers (hub carrier sits below the chassis line). When people tell me to "increase droop" I understand that to mean increase the droop value (ie from 4mm to 5mm) or giving the car less downtravel. That's why to me, "droop" is an oxymoron. It doesn't really matter what the definition is just as long as you understand the theory behind it and how it affects your car. The Hudy setup book is actually pretty good. Read through it and it will help you understand setting up your car a bit more.
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Then why on a carpet track do you want to run a rear droop of about 2? That then means that your car car chassis will be at a higher spot then a droop setting of 5 (chassis is lower to the ground then the 2). I thought that for Carpet you want the chassis to be close to the ground? I am wrong in thinking this?
Mike, don't mistake ride height with droop. I can have anywhere between 1mm and 5mm of droop and have my chassis still sit 5mm off the ground at rest. Ride height is adjusted with spring collars. Anyone who uses droop screws to set their ride height is limiting the effectiveness of their suspension...most usually in a bad way.
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Old 11-30-2001, 09:53 AM   #1298
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When people tell me to "increase droop" I understand that to mean increase the droop value (ie from 4mm to 5mm) or giving the car less downtravel. That's why to me, "droop" is an oxymoron. It doesn't really matter what the definition is just as long as you understand the theory behind it and how it affects your car. The Hudy setup book is actually pretty good. Read through it and it will help you understand setting up your car a bit more.
Rog, you're right. Downstop is a better term.
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Originally posted by futureal
I think we should make the Todd Hodge XXX-S Tuning article required reading for all R/C racers period.

An excerpt:

"On low-bite tracks, add more droop to get the car to roll more through turns. This will let the car transfer more weight and will increase traction. Putting more droop into the car makes it a little more mellow and easier to drive. Just for clarification; increasing droop means adding more down travel. On high-bite tracks, take away droop to make the car roll less, thus making the car easier to drive."

(This is basically the same thing that Rog posted, just a little less detailed...)
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More droop means more shock travel and visa-versa for less. If your at 5 and need less(less shock travel) go to 6. I run 3 in the front 5 in the rear(parking lot).


*TIP* dial in more droop for less bite surfaces(unprepared parking lot) and visa-versa for higher bite surfaces(permanent tracks that have high bite and carpet).
These two sound the same to me.



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If your at 5 and need less(less shock travel) go to 6. I run 3 in the front 5 in the rear(parking lot).
Meaning go to 6 using your losi droop gauge.

I know it sounds backwards when decreasing droop means going up to a higher number on the gauge, but thats the way it is when measuring droop with a losi and even an associated droop gauge.

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click below- 3 setups from the tc3 manual.

1)Bumpy track
2)Carpet with foams
3)Worlds 2000


The bumpy track setup sheet states to use 5 in the front 3 in the rear for droop.

The carpet track setup states to use 6 in the front 4 in the rear for droop.

The worlds setup states to use 5.5 in the front and 4 in the rear for droop.




In other words, use more droop(lower number on gauge)for less bite conditions and less droop(higher number on gauge)for more bite conditions.



TC3 manual-Look at shocktravel on page 26 in the manual.

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Proudwinner! That eye really creeps me out!
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Yeah, I'm trying to keep the darn thing still but it just keeps floppin around. I've made an appointment with an eye doctor next Monday to have it looked at.

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Well, I just got done installing the Speed Tech parts on my car. I must say, the fit & finish of the parts are great and everything went on nicely. But man, Losi sure made it difficult to modify the roll center of the car with those blocks. Had to shave or cut the stock car in no less than 8 places, plus trim the droop screws down to size.

What's funny to me is, Losi included the lower mounting holes for the front and rear pivot blocks on the bulkhead caps, as if they were thinking ahead to this particular modification. But if they were, I am wondering why they didn't test this before the car shipped to eliminate the need for cutting the chassis itself, not to mention the front and rear bumpers. Hmmm...

The only problem I had with the low blocks is that it seems the most rear droop I can have is 4. Had my rear set to 3 before but I couldn't get the arms to pivot that low. Not a major problem, but anybody else see that? I figure a lot of you on here have made this modification already.

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Then why on a carpet track do you want to run a rear droop of about 2? That then means that your car car chassis will be at a higher spot then a droop setting of 5 (chassis is lower to the ground then the 2). I thought that for Carpet you want the chassis to be close to the ground? I am wrong in thinking this?

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Mike, you are confusing ride height and droop. Ride height is how high the car sits when static, and droop is the distance the suspension is allowed to move down as it is unloaded. Changing ride height will affect the droop setting, however, changing the droop setting SHOULDN'T affect the ride height. I say shouldn't because if you set is so screwed up that it does, then you have a serious problem.
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