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Old 05-03-2003, 06:37 PM   #6046
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IMPACT PLAYER and M IGNACIO

I forgot to mention one HUGE thing with that setup I sent you...

it is for STOCK!!!! Not Mod.... so dont try it in mod...

I TQ'd stock at my club race today, and another guy sorda tried the same setup and ended up starting second behind me in the A main.. so the setup is great for Stock....
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Old 05-03-2003, 10:38 PM   #6047
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Ok man. Thanks for the info.!!
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Old 05-04-2003, 12:38 AM   #6048
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Hey rchotrod change the thrust bearing to a capture plastic style or replace the hubs.
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Old 05-04-2003, 12:56 AM   #6049
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Well the track I run on is very high bite and very small,was at one time running black/red or black/pink just to keep the car from hooking very bad. Yes it had a push but not as big of one as you think. The major problem with the track is humidity,track temp stays the same from week to week but humidity is vastly different. Been days when the car pushed early in the morning and then is hooking by night fall and no change to setup or tires.

The stock setup for the G+ normally causes the car to have a bad hook and that is the reason for so drastic of spring change. What I really need is a good starting point for a very tight,very highbite concrete track.
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Old 05-04-2003, 03:52 AM   #6050
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You could maybe try running a little softer setup with like green or purple springs and then use a front swaybar to help control you hooking problem. My car seems to work better and better the more I lean the shocks in at the top. I use hole #2 in the front and rearshock towers. I run the same springs front and rear as well. Our track is high bite indoor asphalt and we run foams. Normally TRC or JAco pruples front and rear. For compound I run ZipGrip2 and do the whole rear tire and 1/4 of the front insides of the tire. I let them sit for like 20 minutes or so and wipe them off. Car has monster traction and rips the corners without a one way. I run 70wt front and rear with 56 pistons. I run all other stock setting for the G Plus. Maybe that will help you some.
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Old 05-04-2003, 07:40 AM   #6051
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here is a couple pics of what I am trying to explain. The thrust balls are pushing out against the outdrive.
Is your thrust washer flat ??
I used to have the problem and found that one of my thrust washer in my kit is bend, not flat.
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Old 05-04-2003, 11:38 AM   #6052
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I was talking with Paul Lemieux a while back and he said when you're running on high traction surfaces, going softer on spring in the back actually makes the car rotate more. My suggestion to you is to ask around and/or try to get the spring rates closer together.
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Old 05-04-2003, 02:32 PM   #6053
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I usually try to keep my springs within 5lbs or so front and rear. The car just seems to work better overall, much more balanced. And yes, the Losi does generally rotate more when you soften the rear more. On carpet at least...
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Well part of the problem is that most of the other experts that run the XXX-S here do not run all the time,most run off-road or travel allot.
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Well the track I run on is very high bite and very small,was at one time running black/red or black/pink just to keep the car from hooking very bad. Yes it had a push but not as big of one as you think. The major problem with the track is humidity,track temp stays the same from week to week but humidity is vastly different. Been days when the car pushed early in the morning and then is hooking by night fall and no change to setup or tires.

The stock setup for the G+ normally causes the car to have a bad hook and that is the reason for so drastic of spring change. What I really need is a good starting point for a very tight,very highbite concrete track.
what did to my g+... installed 0 degree caster, move front shock 3rd position and rear shock to 2nd position.

maybe your tires get overheated during the day...

in my opinion, the G+ rotates the back end, as what you might call a hook... this is to make it steer a lot on very tight tracks, try applying power once the car faces the right direction already.
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Old 05-04-2003, 09:11 PM   #6056
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Hey rchotrod change the thrust bearing to a capture plastic style or replace the hubs.
I am going to try replacing the outdrives and see what happens. If the thrust washers are bent, they were like that out of the package.

What is that captured plastic thrust bearing? I remember using something like that years ago on a pan car. Do you have a part number and who makes it? Is it made just for the xxx-s?

Thanks guys, I am really starting to like this xxx-s. Ran mod with it for the first time and did pretty well, got third out of nine. I gotta admit, mod really teaches you throttle control. You gotta be easy on the trigger.

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Hotrod I do not have the part number but it is a losi part. It is a black plastic item with the balls in the plastic,if memory serves me it came out when the XXX first came out and I think it is still available,I can still get there here at my local hobby shop so they should still be out there somewhere.

Highwayman please do not be a smart ass,I know how to drive. When a car has a hook coming in or exiting a corner then would you say there is a major problem with the setup? Now the only way anyone at my track has been able to keep the car from having such a bad hook is to go with a very stiff front spring and a very light rear spring. When the humidity comes up that super setup that you think is perfect all of a sudden is hooking like the car is on ice.

I'm sorry for biting your head off highwayman,but you and anyone else would be very frustrated if EVERYONE says that no one can get a XXX-S to run right and keep insisiting that you change over and be like everyone else and drive a TC3. I have nothing against the TC3 but I will be damned if I'm going to follow the herd and be like everyone else.

Only recently have I got the XXX Main sedan setup book and that is helping but even with it's help I'm still facing a hugh problem,will the car run right this week or will it have a major hook or a major push?

I'm very frustrated and I aplogise for anything I said that may have been wrong.
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What some people call a hook or a severe pivot I call steering. As long as the rear doesnt push the car around on-power then everything is fine. One major thing I did this weekend was go to low-roll center pivot blocks which allowed not only great steering and pivot, but also increased my corner speed. Give it a try, it's great.
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MaddogTL -

Highwayman is correct that some of the running changes to the car were to help the rear end rotate more freely through a corner. When I first purchased the XXXS, I had to change my driving style - going from a Yoke Worlds car... the XXXS has far more steering - and the G+ adds more to the original.

I would also agree with the rest of the replies on the thread, to keep the front and rear springs closer in rating than you are. We recently resurfaced the track we run on and now it is incredibly high traction and we are now all having problems with the tires overheating... Once this occurs, the traction goes away badly!!

A couple of other things to look for - is the car hooking in only one direction?? If so - the car is most likely tweaked.

Are your batteries in the rear position?

Are you running a one way?? Are you running too much drag brake? Is your belt too tight? Are any of the bearings bad?

There's an infinite number of possibilities of problems in the car... we are simply trying to help you figure out what the issue is.

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Old 05-05-2003, 02:20 PM   #6060
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Quick XXX-S weight question

I'm sure this has been covered, but approximately how much does an XXX-SG+ weigh with common electrics (Novak or LRP). Does the car tend to be overweight or are certain pro drivers just milling out the chassis to allow for better placement of weight? Maybe they're doing it just to have something trick to wow the magazine photographers?

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