Tamiya TA05 - VDF
#48
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Sup dudes,
Please forgive me if this question is not suitable but despite the fact this is especially a drift chassis what's the chances of using the VDF up against the top dogs like T3, TCX etc. Since Tamiya is coming out with the gold edition soon I'm very tempted. I'm still new to this hobby and from my knowledge the VDF actually looks a lot more balanced than the expensive TCs. The only gripe I have with the VDF from pictures is that work space looks very limited.
Thanks
Please forgive me if this question is not suitable but despite the fact this is especially a drift chassis what's the chances of using the VDF up against the top dogs like T3, TCX etc. Since Tamiya is coming out with the gold edition soon I'm very tempted. I'm still new to this hobby and from my knowledge the VDF actually looks a lot more balanced than the expensive TCs. The only gripe I have with the VDF from pictures is that work space looks very limited.
Thanks
#50
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The CG is only high at the bulkhead and pulleys, nothing else. Having the motor in the center is wayy better than having it offset to the left.
#51
Chassis roll can be tuned by suspension setup. Only thing that bothers me about the vdf being used for touring, is rear belt routing and tensioners adding drag. Alex racing cer, the holy grail of drift chassis, was designed for touring long before rc drifing existed.
#52
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My point is not exactly the VDF will perform great right away, it needs some tweeks, like you said the belt routing and tensioners, but i beleive the way the motor is placed is good, and with saddle packs the balance will be even better. I think car design will go back to motor placed in the center, just see the TA06...
Some one needs to find ways to overcome the steering rack issue, and the belts and pulleys, i really think this one can be a contender.
#53
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The VDF is not a Race Car! It was not designed for racing in mind. It was designed to go slow and look cool, it flexes like a rubberband. It will not keep up with touring cars period on a serious racing level. Maybe bashing around in a parking lot, yes it can turn right and left.
The most important part of the drivetrain is way up in the air! Very tall CG! Rotational mass is sky high!
The most important part of the drivetrain is way up in the air! Very tall CG! Rotational mass is sky high!
Last edited by gashuffer; 07-20-2011 at 04:47 AM.
#54
Obviously
Most modern outdoor cars have alot of flex built in to the chassis, so I'm willing to bet the vdf is not any softer than most, especially with the two horizontal braces across vertical decks. You won't see Marc rheinard driving the vdf in ifmars anytime soon, but it could work at a club level.
What's interesting is, tamiya offers a traditional ackerman steering rack option for the vdf. Hmm?
Most modern outdoor cars have alot of flex built in to the chassis, so I'm willing to bet the vdf is not any softer than most, especially with the two horizontal braces across vertical decks. You won't see Marc rheinard driving the vdf in ifmars anytime soon, but it could work at a club level.
What's interesting is, tamiya offers a traditional ackerman steering rack option for the vdf. Hmm?
#55
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Obviously
Most modern outdoor cars have alot of flex built in to the chassis, so I'm willing to bet the vdf is not any softer than most, especially with the two horizontal braces across vertical decks. You won't see Marc rheinard driving the vdf in ifmars anytime soon, but it could work at a club level.
What's interesting is, tamiya offers a traditional ackerman steering rack option for the vdf. Hmm?
Most modern outdoor cars have alot of flex built in to the chassis, so I'm willing to bet the vdf is not any softer than most, especially with the two horizontal braces across vertical decks. You won't see Marc rheinard driving the vdf in ifmars anytime soon, but it could work at a club level.
What's interesting is, tamiya offers a traditional ackerman steering rack option for the vdf. Hmm?
Don't get me wrong, I love the Vdf platform but parts will be very hard to come by and racing it would be scary.
Hell, I don't even like putting mine on the ground! Mine stays in my garage on a smooth painted surface. I think I am going to bring mine to a carpet track this winter!
#56
Nope. The ackerman steering introduces more ackerman for touring type driving. If you look at the rack, the ball studs attach to the middle of the rack, and the instruction tells you to remove the knuckle extensions. There are pics of vdf set up for grip on various japanese blogs. Even the new shaft drive vds was shown set up for rubber at shizuoka hobby show with the optional ackerman steering.
Last edited by TubOLard; 07-20-2011 at 09:35 AM.
#57
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looks nice, would be interesting to see one raced
Last edited by Qatmix; 06-30-2013 at 01:12 AM.
#58
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Nope the ackerman allows you to run longer links giving you less over steer to one side. I run one.
With the stock set up the short link with extension pulls the knuckle in more. That's why it works well for 50/50.
Regardless of the argument. I am happy with mine as a drift car.
Try to race it, it might work for you, who knows!
Peace
With the stock set up the short link with extension pulls the knuckle in more. That's why it works well for 50/50.
Regardless of the argument. I am happy with mine as a drift car.
Try to race it, it might work for you, who knows!
Peace
#59
Now you're contradicting yourself. that's positive ackerman, which is good for touring. For counter steer drifting, you would need close to 0 ackerman for parallel steering. Ive never heard of adding positive ackerman to drifters. Why do yokomo drb and streetjam otar31, etc come with parallel steering? Do you even drift countersteer?
Nope the ackerman allows you to run longer links giving you less over steer to one side. I run one.
With the stock set up the short link with extension pulls the knuckle in more. That's why it works well for 50/50.
Regardless of the argument. I am happy with mine as a drift car.
Try to race it, it might work for you, who knows!
Peace
With the stock set up the short link with extension pulls the knuckle in more. That's why it works well for 50/50.
Regardless of the argument. I am happy with mine as a drift car.
Try to race it, it might work for you, who knows!
Peace
#60
There is no argument here. All you have to do is post a pic of your setup to prove me wrong. Or call tamiya usa to find out.
This is straight from tamiya's website:
For those who favor the cornering characteristics of an Ackerman steering system (front wheels turn at different angles to follow different turning radii) over the kit-standard parallel steering geometry (front wheels turn at same angle), Tamiya is offering this option part to convert your machine to your tastes.
Specs & Features
Set includes:
Steering connector rod x1
FF-03 Steering Arm (R) x1
TB-03 Steering Arm (L) x1
Metal parts bag (screws, washers, ball connectors, shims etc.) x 1
Only compatible with TA05-VDF chassis (Item 84132).
Note: Item 54250 3x42mm Aluminum Turnbuckle Shaft (2pcs.) is required for attachment. (Sold separately.)
For those who favor the cornering characteristics of an Ackerman steering system (front wheels turn at different angles to follow different turning radii) over the kit-standard parallel steering geometry (front wheels turn at same angle), Tamiya is offering this option part to convert your machine to your tastes.
Specs & Features
Set includes:
Steering connector rod x1
FF-03 Steering Arm (R) x1
TB-03 Steering Arm (L) x1
Metal parts bag (screws, washers, ball connectors, shims etc.) x 1
Only compatible with TA05-VDF chassis (Item 84132).
Note: Item 54250 3x42mm Aluminum Turnbuckle Shaft (2pcs.) is required for attachment. (Sold separately.)
Last edited by TubOLard; 07-20-2011 at 03:54 PM.