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Old 10-08-2010, 08:04 PM   #1261
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Aluminum outdrives, motor fan,swingshafts. Hex hardware is nice too.
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Get the very best silver can motor you can find, buy, tweek or whatever cuz we still insist on dickin around with these things and if it aint a Tamiya race you better have a bullet or you'll be watchin from the back of the pack.
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Get the very best silver can motor you can find, buy, tweek or whatever cuz we still insist on dickin around with these things and if it aint a Tamiya race you better have a bullet or you'll be watchin from the back of the pack.
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By the way, today's fun race was...well...fun, I think. Hopefully, the powers that be can come up with something for all of us to follow that levels the playing field and allow this class to grow even further because today was a straight demonstration!

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Old 10-09-2010, 07:26 PM   #1264
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Simple, asked Fred about no timing 21.5 brushless motors, any manufacturer, just like the speedos, we get to choose.
Works in F1 right now.

Unlimited silver cans means you still need to know or be a motor tweeker.
Killin that crap is so long overdue.
C'mon, you still want to keep doin this?
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Simple, asked Fred about no timing 21.5 brushless motors, any manufacturer, just like the speedos, we get to choose.
Works in F1 right now.

Unlimited silver cans means you still need to know or be a motor tweeker.
Killin that crap is so long overdue.
C'mon, you still want to keep doin this?
Interesting .. we are just about to try to get FWD racing off the ground in Australia and we had the following thoughts:

Open ESC and 21.5 motor. Saves all scrutineering (no "blinking light" issues
FWD car bodies only with a realistic wing (no giant TC wings)If the body comes wit a large wing it must be cut down
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Then everyone will need a hi $ speedo or get smoked.
Will they now allow 17.5 non boosted to run with them just to keep up?

Do we need another modified "stock" motor class.
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Then everyone will need a hi $ speedo or get smoked.
Will they now allow 17.5 non boosted to run with them just to keep up?

Do we need another modified "stock" motor class.
Not really. We can get a more than competitive timed ESC for $130 (Hobbywing Extreme Stock). Hardly a giant outlay.

We were looking for something simple. There has been numerous threats of "masking software" for the blinking light no timing ESC's to hide what people are using. We figured an open ESC was the easier way to go and with a 21.5 motor it would be slow enough not to cauyse many issues
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Aluminum outdrives, motor fan,swingshafts. Hex hardware is nice too.
definitely the alum outdrives. I had one run with the plastic stock units running a 3000kv motor and they melted. since I upgraded to aluminum ones, there have been no problems and I've upped the motor to a 4300kv. they're holding up so well, I'm thinking I might even go higher. 5700kv maybe.
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Then everyone will need a hi $ speedo or get smoked.
Will they now allow 17.5 non boosted to run with them just to keep up?

Do we need another modified "stock" motor class.
21.5 open or 21.5 spec mode ESC.
Both are better options than silver-ISH-cans
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Old 10-09-2010, 10:03 PM   #1270
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21.5 open or 21.5 spec mode ESC.
Both are better options than silver-ISH-cans
I guess this is true, any 21.5 combo is better than non scrutinized silver cans.

When the silver cans are teched, that is some of the best racing I have ever been in. Very, very close.

21.5 has also been some of the best ever.

Todays fun race at Tamiya was pretty much a vulgar display of power.(Pantera fan)
Great gig if you had some.
I could've snuck my 21.5 in, raced it and no one would have been able to tell cuz it would not have been the quickest setup.
Which takes me back to the way our F1 series has been running.
Either or.
Take your pick, if you like to tweek you can and you will be as fast as anyone.
If you don't like to tweek you can still keep sight of the quickest.

Boost it? Why not just go to 17.5?
Oh, yeh, then you got the boost issue again.
So then go to 13.5 to keep up.
Dang, boost again...Are we at modified class yet?

Sucks we need a silver ish can motor and a boosted esc to run in stock classes.
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I think that there may be an easier way to solve the silver can tweaking issue.

Due to the fact that these motors cost a bit less than a decent lunch, why not have a mandatory motor claim/sale rule.
We did it years ago and it worked great.

At any time, any racer may purchase the motor of any other racer in his class for full retail.

We found, in the past, that racers tended to save their strong motors for larger events and that the club events had much tighter competition.

If this class, in TCS, will be a silver can class; why leave silver cans at the club level.
Just get rid of the advantages of tweaking and the problem solves itself.

I barely race anymore, so I hope I have not overlooked something obvious.

Hope this helps, I think this is the coolest class to pop up in a long, long time.
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at our local track we are doing
17.5 boost allowed
rubber "treaded" tires
and realistic fwd production bodies....
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Personally, I'm done with silver cans. My FF03 is 21.5/zero timing. I'll race it where it's welcome and I'll stay home when it's not.
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Old 10-10-2010, 12:14 PM   #1274
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Unlimited silver cans means you still need to know or be a motor tweeker.
Killin that crap is so long overdue.
C'mon, you still want to keep doin this?
This is from a "motor tweaker" and I couldn't agree with you more. However, the only way you can effectively get rid of this is to establish an rpm limit and rigidly enforce it. This is the responsibility of the track or organizers of the event. If you want to just spot check or randomly check, the threat of being exposed as a cheater will discourage most people. If you don't do this, you cannot expect people to not try to get more performance from their motors.

Also, it sort of pisses me off to have "motor tweaking" singled out as villainous endeavor. This constant "bitching" about motors really gives me a pain. Why don't we outlaw the chassis "tweakers". I'm in the process of acquiring all the "upgrades" to have a decent FF03 and am struggling with it. My suggestion would be that if you truly want a level playing field, let's rule out the chassis "tweaking" also. Afterall, if we use your criteria, it's unfair for them to use their knowledge and skills that they've spent time, money, and effort to acquire.

Nothing personal in this Craig, but you're not the first to punch my button on this. I just got a little tired of it. Also, while were on the subject, how many of the guys with "slow" motors have ever bothered to clean them or polish the comm. How many times have you come off the track with a motor temp at over 170? How many of you even bother to check motor temps? Still use motor cleaner to clean motors. Do you know how many people I've shown how to maintain their motors? And how many actually do it? Also have given away dozens of motors and have seen them "blown" up thru abuse and wrong headed gearing. Then have the guy tell you your motors no good. I could go on, but that's enough for now.
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RPM limit does not work proper either.
I was temporarely disqualified for an over revving motor, but it was only after 2 thirds of the entry (some 80 cars) got disqualified that they discovered that a motor when very hot after a run would rev much higher than a motor left for 2 minutes to cool down.
Only way they found to check the motor RPM after this issue was to leave the car in an 'Park Ferme' type area, and was checked after the following 2 races was run, which then they only found 3 over revving motors, and I was 200 rpm inside the window.
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